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Right My car has had numerous suspesnion disassemblies over the last 6
months and everything bar the subframe and steering rack renewed.

plus I have played withj suspension height etc etc

So I have been looking for someone who could align it PROPERLY.... that doesnt just mean front/rear

it means camber/caster Toe in Toe out steering angle, aligning to
the true centre lign of the vehicle, everywhere i enquired didnt have

the equipment or knowledge to do it properly..

there are only a few people IN THE COUNTRY WHO CAN ALIGN A MODIFIED
CAR untill you read all these links dont belive your car is
aligned properly.

Till I found the ball joint and wheel alignemnet centre in Liverpool clicky

there are two types of top-notch alignemnt machines Hunter And again Actual Machine Clicky and Beissbarth

The misconception amongst the vw community is the beisbarth is the best
... well it isnt as it isnt configured for modified vehicle useage....
which this snippet from the hunter Link above shows why this is so
inportant especially when lowering a vehicle.

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The above company has this very kit, and better than that they know how
to use it , the owners are a very nice South African couple who have
been doing this for years... and didnt flinch when they saw the spec of
my car with non standard wheels bushes coilovers etc etc

Now the initail check is free , it shows just how fubared your wheels
are then they base the price on how much they have to adjust, my
alignement cost ?65 all in my uncles NEW S-type cost ?50 and was well
out of manufactures spec.

Here is a before and after pic of my alignment

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BIG PICTURE CLICKY

Now you will notice that my rear wheels wer toeing in (pointing
into eachother at the front eadge leading to insde worn edges) and the
fronts were toing out leading to outside edge wear.

Now my car is quite low and most of you know about the TT/R32/4motion
rear camber issue? (when you lower the the camber goes out and then you
wear tyes or have to buy ?250 forge arms)

now look at my after the camber is in manufacturers specs JUST
basically he explained that the camber wasnt an issue many cars have
more camber as naturally BUT the level of toe that was introduced by
lowering is what really does thae damage I should now be able to
drive with a lowered 4motion without sufferent inner rear tyre wear,
without spending ?250 on forge arms.

The verdict is AMAZING I am soo happy with the way the car drives ?65 is the best money I have spent on this car

  • It will save money on tyres (Aparently i should get twice as many miles due despite my driving)
  • Apparently it should help fuel economy
  • It should be safer
  • It drives so Nice , even when the road is cambered it doesnt pull at all
  • I know my car is better setup than when it left the factory
  • I will more than make my money back in tyre costs FACT
My dad is so impressed he has booked his Ferrari in for next week, as
is my mate with a 6 week old SAAB I will post up how much theres were
out by... should be interesting.

If theres enough interest in getting cars propely sorted I may aproach them todo a group buy

IF YOU HAVENT ALREADY LOOK AT THE HUNTER MACHINE HERE Hunter
 

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Interesting read Andy, something I would like to do to the V5 to get it ready for another track day.

I recently had an alignment check done at AutoPS using the VAG system, which was only able to display the following results;

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Any idea where we can find local installation of the Hunter Machines installed ? As the Hunter web site just directs you to http://www.alignmycar.co.uk/ which list all alignment centers.
 

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Doing a google search comes up saying that MeritTyres using Hunter systems;

http://www.merityre.co.uk/wheel_alignment.htm

The following have links to other specialst alignment centers around the UK;

http://www.lotusrepairs.com/otherservices.asp?function=WheelAlignment
http://www.wheels-inmotion.co.uk/trusted.htm
http://www.pro-align.co.uk/gsp9700locations/gsplocations.htm

Also double checking the http://www.alignmycar.co.uk/ site says "To find a map and facilities at your local Hunter
equipped centre......"
 

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Right had a little play tonight OMG

went for a 15 mile drive to get my detailing stuff from my mates

on the way I took the lanes, all national speed limt, mix of
sweeping fast national speed limit very smooth lots of run off areas,
and tight little lanes with lots of left immediate rights with bumps,
crests and undulations.

the car behaved imeccable not once did i feel any
understeer (which i normally suffer from) and the car flowed perfectly
there was also alot more feel from the steering and the usually non
existant vag turn in was gone, the steering wheel seemed to be more
connected to the direction of the front wheels, and i could then place
the car more accurately into the corners and get a much faster exit out
as i felt alot more confident applying more speed mid bend. also
braking was alot more stable with less twitchiness from the back end (I
have also upgraded to 5.1 dot fluid) Also where my car would
frequently bottom out the front left or right shock it didnt once do
this as the rear wasnt fighting against the back anymore.

My return Journey I took a different rote with lots of 2 and 3
lane dual carriageways with a couple of slip roads and big open
motorway style roundabouts,

The car still has a very very slight pull to the
left but as the tech said today may camber at the front is still a
litle bit out, (but i need adjustable top mounts to adjust this) but
sweeping corners and straight line high speed was much more stable and
the car felt very planted and predictable, also tramlining over ruts
left by wagons was gone and agin the twitchiness or tramlining when
braking in these ruts was gone. At cruising speeds the car needed less
input and seemed to follow the direction of road with a fair bit
less input from me, almost like my uncles new super smooth jag.

All in all I will be going back to this place,
even if i was to buy a new car and not modify it the first thing i
would doo is get it checked here, like he sadi today most cars dont
come from the factory correctly aligned.... THE BEST money i have spent
on this car since i bought it.

PS this place also has its own Lathe and machine shop and if nescary
and cost permitting he will machine eccentric bolts etc to get the
nescacry adjustment.... though this makes it significantly more
expensive (the example he gave was a Lanci Intergrale yesterday that
had 2 custom bolts to correct it and it cost ?150 all in)
 

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Doing a google search comes up saying that MeritTyres using Hunter systems;

http://www.merityre.co.uk/wheel_alignment.htm

The following have links to other specialst alignment centers around the UK;

http://www.lotusrepairs.com/otherservices.asp?function=WheelAlignment
http://www.wheels-inmotion.co.uk/trusted.htm
http://www.pro-align.co.uk/gsp9700locations/gsplocations.htm

Also double checking the http://www.alignmycar.co.uk/ site says "To find a map and facilities at your local Hunter
equipped centre......"
That pro-align are the people who supplied this equipment..... I dont
know if the FWD golfs have any adjustment on the rear as the 4motion
setup is totally adjustable
 

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Good innit,

I had mine done at Merityre Marlow Bucks back in Sept last year after I'd pretty much done the same as Andy; renewed the complete front suspension except steering rack and subframe mounts.

Top notch outfit and if you go on a quiet Sunday, they let you participate as well (well did me) rather than being cooped up in the waiting room.

It's good having the before and after print outs but a shame the 2wd Golfs are not adjustable at the back. At least you know that your car is spot.
 

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This is really interesting. I'm in the process of lowering my 1.6 would you say its worth the trip to get it done?
 

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I wouldnt say it was worth a trip from the NE however if you can find
someone with 100 miles i would highly reccomend it, even if it wasnt
modded I think it should be part of a basic maintenance routine
specially if the car has high mileage.

Would be really interest to get a FWD drive golf to these guys to see what they can do wit the rear of the car

PS it was also a bit scary watchinbg them loosen the subframe then
place a big big bar on it whack it several times ..... BUT they did
know what they were doing.
 

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Would be really interest to get a FWD drive golf to these guys to see what they can do wit the rear of the car
The only thing that can be is the alignment of the rear beam to the chassiss. Adjustment would (I think) have to be done by elongating the holes in the mounting flange. I'd be interested to know otherwise ?
 

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My next step is to find someone who can do corner weights....

basically your car in an ideal world would have 25% weight at each
corner, however next step would be to have a 50/50 split left to
right.... but this is hard to do because of the imbalance of sitting on
the right and gearbox engine location etc.

However if you have coilovers they can be adjusted slightly to get this
balance , by tightening the spring on a light corner and loosening the
spring on a heavy corner, its by no means perfect, BUT you can make
significant improvements.
 

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So do you think they lathe up bolts for 2WD cars to adjust the rear.?

And as for the R32 rack,go buy it , fit it ,and re-align it.

Its only sixty five squids you know.[;)]
 

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So do you think they lathe up bolts for 2WD cars to adjust the rear.?

And as for the R32 rack,go buy it , fit it ,and re-align it.

Its only sixty five squids you know.[;)]
Its not the money ... its the fact i have spent every night this week
replacing cv boots bushes, whishbones, shockers etc etc .... now if I
was too take it to bits I think the missus would chop my family jewels
off.... or sell the car whilst Im at work.
 

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Well my parents are in Cheshire so next time I take Betty Bora up I'll give them a call and see how bad she is. Whats the standard cost of the check and adjust?

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An alignment machine is only a measuring device, and its accuracy aside, is only as good as the operator - if they don't have the correct reference data for what a car should measure and/or the facility to correct it then the alignment is worthless.

Here's my result from my local VW's (John Ashley Service) Beissbarth machine, looks a bit more detailed than yours, Russ, perhaps you got a different model, or the operator didn't bother enabling other measurements. Immediately I could feel it drive more precisely - it pulled and braked straighter and I've had even tyre wear all round... until I fitted a rear ARB and started doing every roundabout twice and with an extra 10-15mph...

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Has anyone actually had corner weighting done on their MkIV? I could understand it in a full time track car where the weight distribution will always be the same (you wouldn't be carrying passengers, for example) but in a general daily use road car?

To tell the truth, the only reason I've got coilovers is because I had heard lots of horror stories of people buying suspension and finding the drop was nothing like the manufacturer claimed (I for one didn't fancy one particular kit that, according to the info on the web, would deck the front 60-70mm), so I got coilovers to be able to have control over this.
 

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I wouldnt say it was worth a trip from the NE however if you can find
someone with 100 miles i would highly reccomend it, even if it wasnt
modded I think it should be part of a basic maintenance routine
specially if the car has high mileage.
I've just won a replacement front bumper on eBay and will have to make a drive up to Ormskirk to collect it, so I think I will take a small detour to these guys to see how the V5 compares against the VAG alignment machine.
 

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Has anyone actually had corner weighting done on their MkIV?
I looked into this for my track day at Outlen Park as AutoPS say on there web site they can Corner weight your vehicle. Only problem is it would take them around 2 days and cost ?250 due to the equipment that they had.

My friends Westfield has been corner weighted and he swears it's the best thing he did to the car.
 
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