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In my long search to find another track weapon/road car I took a Scoob STI WRX PPP or something similar out for the PM on my own from a local performance specialists.

The car was on an 02 plate UK car with 11k on the clock which had been fettled by Prodrive to alledgedly give 300bhp.Finnished in Rally blue with gold 17 inch wheels standard suspension and brakes I was wondering what to expect.

First thing I noticed was lag right up until 2800-3000 rpm on the dial and very flat below that with warbly note.

Once on song it certainly gave a good quick up into the mid 7k rev band but because the ratio's were shortish changing quicky was essential to keep momentum up. The power was good but certainly was suffering from heat soak compared to my Golf but it certainly did NOT feel like 300bhp and in my experiences from seeing them on Power Engineering's RR they suffer a great deal of drive train losses. I didn't get the feeling of greater pace than my old Golf. The brakes felt weak and wooden under foot.Turn in was sharp but under full load it understeered like a pig. The back really does push the front end out wide...a different technique or better suspension is order of the day.

The front end was also quite bouncy especially under full chat on B roads and didn't inspire confidence...........it was okay but not what I had expected.

Finally the death nail was lack of refinement and horrendous fuel consumption...you can literally watch the needle move as you give it some.

The seats were ok but nearly as good as the Recaro's with no lumber adjustment and a horrible cheap Nissan Cherry dash.

Oh well for me I will be putting the 2v2 brakes from ECS and the diff in the box ready for next year. In it's current state it won't be too shabby on track. There's alot to be said abot the MKIV when all said and done.

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My friends got an Evo MR8.5

320bhp as standard,

it's now got

HKS straight thru exhaust, with de-cat

HKS air filter

Yokohamo Advan tyres (the semi slick soft compound ones)

it can still be remapped, but as it is, it's bloody fast!

I havent driven it, but having been a passenger in it, I can honestly
say that I have never been in a more capable road car this side of a
friends 996 Turbo S.

It changes direction so quickly you wouldn't believe, it
accelarates and brakes so hard your lungs hurt. It makes my
Golf feel like a 1litre micra..

Perfect car for trackday blasts!
 

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it should feel much faster than your golf, in fact it would kill it all day long.

that model does 1/4 mile in just over 13 sec, and 0-60 in 4.5 sec.

im planning on buying a 2nd hand prodrive skooby, and fitting a
rollcage, hopefully to enter wrc gb in 2006 as a private entry (only
costs ?1200 to enter).
 

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I looked at the very same type of car when i sold my Focus RS,and came to a very similar conclusion,i thought it was rubbish in comparison to the RS,i also found it very uncomfortable for my feet,and after 25 miles ( and nearly half a tank of super plus!! ),my ankles ached like hell.

Never tried an Evo though,but they are probably very similar,plus they have to be serviced every 4.5k!!!!!!!!
 

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im planning on buying a 2nd hand prodrive skooby, and fitting a rollcage, hopefully to enter wrc gb in 2006 as a private entry (only costs ?1200 to enter).
You'd be better buying a prepared Gp N car from the classifieds in Motorsport News. The rally cars are so different from the road cars it'd cost a huge amount to build one and the benefit of starting from a PPP car is nil.

Here's a new Prodrive Gp N car - ?60k +VAT

http://www.tegsport.co.uk/showcardetail.cfm?sitearea=carsms&ID=11

BTW you do understand how much it'd cost to get your international licence don't you?
 

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Its not lag that is causing the lack of power under 2800-300rpm, its just off cam.  It would probably be running a 300 degree cam.
 

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I'm an ex Subaru owner and at first loved the car. Soon the novelty of the classic Subara off beat engine sound wore off and then the cheap feeling plastic interior really started to irritate me along with the very high dealer costs for servicing parts etc. A good car if you were in the right mood for it, if you know what I mean, but the compromises (awful interior, costs, fuel consumption, insurance, noise  etc) soon outweighed the benefits for me so it was a short term ownership. Saying that though it was my every day transport doing about 60 miles a day and never used it on track though which is a shame.I can' t say I've ever really missed it since though... 
 

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Getting into my Golf immediately afterwards it felt as powerful if not more so.Trouble is my Golf as 240-250 and is driven by two wheels and has much less drivetrain losses. The Scoobs I have seen on RR have huge losses but high crank figures.

The Gold is a far more refined car and is still good on track with the right mods.The Scoobs are definately NOT ideal track cars with loads of understeer unless you get youself a Spec C Scoob at ?27k....oh and a fuel tanker following behind.

Ian
 

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Think maybe knowing the exact model you took out would be a bonus as they vary so much. Assuming it was a bugeye, (ugly as sin model that was killed off by Subaru prematurely due to it's unpopularity, replaced with a marginally less ugly model), they are cack not to put to fine a point on it.

Too heavy, understeer and unless run on 98 RON fuel down on power. Brakes are inadequate for the power and weight as well. There are quite a few models out there that are supposedly PPP STi but aren't. Completely useless as a track car. Where even this model scores is that on wet roads it will murder a MKIV (I reckon even Haldex equipped ones). On poorly surfaced roads the body control and contact the cars achieve is pretty impressive.

The older MK1 Imprezas are better and feel like they have the 300bhp as they only weigh 1200 Kilos or so.

Personally if I could live with 4.5K service intervals and AYC worries I'd take an EVO of any revision anyday. Absolutely NOTHING like an Impreza in any way really other than their concept. Don't understeer, decent brakes if Brembo and steer like a proper car.

Imprezas are pretty good, just not the f-ugly model!
 

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You can get them for around or just under the ?20k mark for decent low mileage ones - as long as you don't go to a main dealer you don't get raped.  How much was the WRX STI PPP jobbie you'd been talking about?
 

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Have recently been driven round a track in a Subaru STi Uk with PPP (05 car) by a professional driver and based on what he got up to I'd have to say, as a crap amateur driver, that they are fantastic track cars. went round Prestwold Hall track in Leicestershire, where Everyman run their Ferrari / Supercar track days etc, and he certainly impressed me when he overtook a 360 Spider overtaking a 328 GTS underbraking into a bend whilst chatting to me about driving M3s at Rockingham.....

Mind you, Ops Director at my last employer had a bug eye WRX with PPP to replace a Jap spec mk1, and both of those were good fun to borrow for an odd journey, but if we ended up swapping for the weekend, I'd end up driving my wife's car by Sat pm!!!

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and he certainly impressed me when he overtook a 360 Spider overtaking a 328 GTS underbraking into a bend whilst chatting to me about driving M3s at Rockingham.....
Ian, can i use this as a sig? LOL.
 

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I drove the STi PPP on the current model and thought it was a fantastic car. My Scoob had approx the same power after some mods, but the way the PPP STi delivered the power was much better and to be honest I thought it was better to drive too. The ratios are very close and it feels more grown up than the original Impreza and to be honest I like the interior. It is no worse than a MK5 Golf plastics wise and has far better seats. And to boot the warble of the Scoob engine gets me going every time I here one.

There is nothing else quite like it and it is my best memory of the car. The high running costs inc expensive frequent servicing, expensive parts and crap mpg were its only major let downs. The Evo is a marginally better car than a Scoob but you pay more to get one that goes faster.
 

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i still am at a loss to see how anyone thinks their 1.8T is as fast as the PPP scooby.

scooby 0-60 in 4.5 sec

1.8T 0-60 about 7 secs.

thats a million miles apart.
 

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PPP'd scoob, 60-100 in 8.5s

chiped, exhaust 1.8T 60-100 an 8.5s

Mine currently 60-100 5.5s

You find me a ppp'd scoob owner who can get his car to 60 in 4.5s, and keep his gearbox/clutch in one piece if he does it again.
 

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You find me a FWD car that can comfortably handle more than 250bhp through the front wheels with any sign of rain or a proper corner and I'll eat my shorts.
 
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