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I was thinking, why dont VW throw the diesel community a bone and build a R30D. It would be a relatively easy engineering exercise as all the parts are currently within the parts bin and help put VW back near the top of the diesel pile. Using the 3.0 turbo diesel unit  would see roughly 250bhp with a bit of fettling and the four wheel drive chassis is a already here. 250bhp and roughly 40mpg sounds like a winning combination to me, although maybe thats the point. Maybe they're scared of stealing petrol sales.
 

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The idea of a performance diesel is a bit new for that I think. Similar
to why there are no diesel Porsches - the market would be very small
IMO. Maybe in ten eyars time when they've figured out how to make it sound great.
 

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Have to agree diesels are seen as work horses not performace cars it will take a few years yet before one of the manufacturers are brave enough to launch a performance car thats sooty [:(]

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I agree, I have just traded my MK V Gti due to the mileage, my GT TDI is sporty enough with 17" wheels but not as impressive as my GTi with the 18" Monza's. I'm happy with the performace of the diesal, could be faster to 60 though.

I don't see why they don't do it, surely they lose sales to other manufactures that do, BMW's sport diesals look really good. Surely more consumer choise is better especialy as people like myself are moving away from petrol engines due to our mileage and expense of the likes of optimax.
 

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volvo are doing a D5 engine as the used to, and still do the T5..... they are correct at doing this IMO, the rest will cotton on soon i hope.

i personaly would get one if volvo ever made a mice looking car the does not depciate faster than a 40 year old pornstar....
 

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volvo are doing a D5 engine as the used to, and still do the T5..... they are correct at doing this IMO, the rest will cotton on soon i hope.

i personaly would get one if volvo ever made a mice looking car the does not depciate faster than a saab
 

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I disagree - build a nose heavy lump like that - no.

The 170bhp engine with 4wd and a proper chassis would be good for tweaking but a V6 is a waste in a hatchback. Think Lotus, lightweight use the power you have better rather than just sticking a huge lump of an engine in and then have to build the dynamisc which are compromised from the start.

I've said it about the R32 (both MkIV and MkV) and I say the same thing here - a good turbo 4 will be more agile and faster than a lump like a V6 - even if it has got 250bhp.....
 

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volvo are doing a D5 engine as the used to, and still do the T5..... they are correct at doing this IMO, the rest will cotton on soon i hope.

i personaly would get one if volvo ever made a mice looking car the does not depciate faster than a saab
My old man has just got the new S60 D5........185bhp with 400nm of tourque.........the thing shifts like dog poo of a polished spade[:)]
 

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i had a d5 in front of me the other day coming up the M606 a fairly steep motoway straight, and he was doing very well i had to really give it some to pass him, i have 270bhp and a lighter car (i think) so it can not be all that bad in a straight but the twistes are where they loose out i agree so what some one needs to do is build a light high powered diesel engine.

now come on if we can travel to other planets we should be able to work out how to make this engine dont you think!
 

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What about BMW 535D, or eventual 335d, not too many petrol cars would leave them behind.
BTW Upsolute quote 313PS and 630nm for their 535d upgrade...I'd drive one.
 

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Have to agree diesels are seen as work horses not performace cars it will take a few years yet before one of the manufacturers are brave enough to launch a performance car thats sooty
Sad [:(]


Chris

Try telling someone with a 240Bbp 330d M Sport, that their car isn't a sports car ;-)
 

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Why not make a R30D?..... because no true car nut really wants to drive an oil burner, they are for skinflints and company car drivers only, for any real car nut, petrol is the only choice, mpg is dull and boring (nearly as a much as bragging about lbs torque!!!!)

God forbid could you ever imgaine a Porsche 911 Carrera D or a Ferrari F430 D, no thanks....
 

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Ok, so what do i do then?

I do 80 miles a day to commute to work. To run a petrol R32 would cost me roughly an extra ?300 a month in fuel. But I want something that 'goes' too.

Now i might sound like a skint flint but an extra ?3600 a year out of my salary (roughly 10% of what I earn PRE tax and insurance) is too much if you ask me. And besides a R30 TDI would probably be faster than a R32!
 

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My thinking exactly! Im going to keep the Golf for maybe a year or two and then see about getting a 330(335?) BMW.

Oh and Carlos, if you wouldnt miss an extra ?300-350 a month just for fuel, feel free to set up a standing order to my account! I could pay my mortgage of 10 years early with that.
 

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Why not make a R30D?..... because no true car nut really wants to drive an oil burner, they are for skinflints and company car drivers only, for any real car nut, petrol is the only choice, mpg is dull and boring (nearly as a much as bragging about lbs torque!!!!)

God forbid could you ever imgaine a Porsche 911 Carrera D or a Ferrari F430 D, no thanks....
Methinks Carlos is just trying to get people to bite! I bloody hope so anyway! [:O]

So okay, I'll bite.

Carlos is obviously very lucky that he can afford to run a performance car and not worry about the running costs. If I lived a couple of miles from my work I would probably have a petrol too.

However, doing my 50mile round trip (even with lift sharing which cuts my bills in half) a 30mpg petrol would cost me ?50 a month more than my 45mpg diesel.

That would have to come out of the finance budget so instead of being able to afford a ?14k car (which mine was when I bought it at 1 year old 3 years ago) I would have been able to afford a ?11.5k car.

I could have gone for a 1.8T which was a couple of years older than mine, but when mine has similar performance why would I do that? And now that I have had a diesel it would have to be a turbo or meaty six cylinder (along with a job closer to home!) that would bring me back to the petrol side.

For my next car I was deliberating between a new mkV GTI and used 330D. The BMW would cost more to buy, but because of the running costs it would be cheaper over the 5 years or so I would own it. And as fantastic as the Golf is, it's no 3 series in looks, build, equipment or handling.

Maybe dielels are for clever people?[:p][;)]

Diesels aren't just for skinflints- they are for people who don't have endless pots of cash to spend on running costs and would rather put their monthly budget towards a newer/higher spec car than burning it in their tanks.

As for saying that no true car nut will drive a diesel- thats nonsense and frankly quite insulting.
 

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As for saying that no true car nut will drive a diesel- thats nonsense and frankly quite insulting.
If the cost of fuel was not an issue - lets say you lived in the US, or
maybe two miles from the office... or say your fuel was paid for by
your employer - would you drive a diesel?
 
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