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I first posted this guide in August 2006, the UK-MKIVs forum software was upgraded in December 2013 and it broke some of the picture links in this thread, so I edited it on 07/12/13.

2nd edit: As of June 2017 Photobucket made a change to their terms and conditions and have now prevented uploaded photos on their site from being linked into from forums, so I've now uploaded these photos to an album on the UK-MKIVs site itself, so hopefully the photos won't get shafted again. I know that these days plenty of people now fit after market head units and won't use an MFD so this is here just for the people who specifically want to use an MFD to keep their car looking clean and factory OEM style.

Originally my 2003 MK4 Golf GTi came from the factory with a VW Gamma Head Unit and the VW dash mounted 6 CD player. I was about to fit the VW OEM Sat Nav unit and realised I would lose the 6 CD player and didn't want to be forced to swap to a boot mounted CD player, so decided to custom fit it into the glove box.

So (after losing some skin off my knuckles) I've installed the VW OEM MFD head unit and I've also moved the 6 CD player in to the glovebox. I took lots of pictures and whilst this wasn't mean't to be a step by step guide to the installation it sort of turned in to one.

The parts I used in this installation were (NB this could all be out of date as web links die and prices change, this was written in 2006) -
Extension Cable for in CD dash changer: (this is to extend the CD changer cable to allow it to be long enough to have the CD changer in the glovebox http://www.bluespot.co.uk/stock/idc_cable.asp PRICE: £17.99
Single DIN Mounting Kit: http://www.bluespot.co.uk/stock/din_box.asp (this is the original link from 2006, but sadly they changed the product, it's not as compact as the din box that I used, so I don't recommend this one, you might be able to find the original elsewhere?) PRICE: £17.99
VM OEM 6 CD player (I already had one in my car) Ebay or off this forum in the classifieds PRICE: £30 - £60 approx?
VW OEM MFD Sat Nav: Ebay or off this forum in the classifieds PRICE: £100-£200 approx?
VW/Audi Sat Nav plug and play cable kit: Ebay - this link might die, but this is the type that is needed, it includes the loom for the MFD, a GPS aerial and keys to remove the standard radio (or MFD itself): http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-SEAT-SKODA-MFD-plug-play-adapter-retrofit-kit-/271374080811?hash=item3f2f27db2b:g:CuAAAMXQVT9S83Bw PRICE: £37.98

2015 Edit: The plug and play cable above has now disapeared off Ebay, but here is Kufatec's version of that lead: €16.49: http://www.kufatec.de/shop/en/car-hifi-components/oem-radio-adapter/audi-vw-adapter-head-unit-mfd-rns-d-navi

A little note about the plug and play lead, some people have ignored this and tried to plug the unit directly into the Golf / Bora's standard radio connections, whilst the unit will power up, navigation won't work at all, the car will struggle get a fix on your current location or be able to track your movement. The plug and play lead feeds extra signals required to the MFD's 26 pin connector such as GALA (speed) and Can Bus signals. If you don't get a plug and play lead and just plug the MFD into the standard connections you'll end up with a pretty looking radio receiver but have no navigation.

Other misc parts: zip ties, self adhesive cable tie base, suitable wire to extend the illumination wire for the 6CD.
Tools -stanley knife(good strong one)/spare blades (to cut the back of the glove box), screw driver (to screw the DIN cage in to the glove box), cutters (to clip zip ties/cut cables), removal keys (to pull out the Gamma/6 CD), Torx driver set (to undo the screws to pull release the glove box so the GPS Antenna can be mounted behind it), soldering iron/solder/heat shrink (to solder the some wires that needed to be extended).

So here's my guide to doing this installation/conversion. Don't fall asleep :)

The parts I was fitting in this installation:
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The installation:
1) My original set up, as it came from the factory
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2) The glove box - note you can see the marks near the lamp, these are already made from the factory and are stress points which are helpful for cutting a hole at the back.
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3) I offered up the single DIN tray to the glove box to see where the hole needs to be cut. The hole needs to be cut as the DIN tray/CD player need to be mounted right at the back of the glove box to allow the lid to close (and to give a little more space in there too.)
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4) After a battle I had the hole cut at the back of the din tray, which allowed it to push back and be flush with the log book holder. (this took time and perseverance)
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5) The Sat Nav loom has an "eliminator" switch on it which basically allows a video input to be watched on the Nav whilst driving (normally this is disabled for safety). I attached this to the side of the DIN tray using a adhesive base that allows a zip tie to pass through it. Didn't have any black paint so painted the self adhesive cable tie fixings with what I had in a garage, a gun metal grey paint. You couldn't really see it in the dark glove box anyway.
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6) DIN tray slid in to place with the eliminator button attached
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7) Goodbye to the Gamma head unit and the 6 CD player starts its journey to its new home in the glove box
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8) The rear of 6 CD player. This has a 'hardwired' connector (as shown below on the left) and a snap in connector on the right. The hardwired connector is a multi pin unit and this normally links in to the Gamma unit. When the 6 CD player is moved to the glove box the cable won't reach to the rear of the MFD Sat Nav, so the extender cable has to be used. The snap-in connector on the right (I believe) is for the illumination also is quite short and will never reach in to the glove box. I had to cut this off and extend it using a piece of similar thickness wire, solder it and then insulate it using heat shrink tubing.
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8a) Here is the snap in connector for illumination on the 6 CD player cut off and ready for soldering on to the extender cable
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9) I decided it would be a good time to actually test the MFD unit. If it was faulty it would be a waste of time to continue. I plugged all the loom in to the rear of the MFD and placed the GPS aerial on the dashboard to get a signal. It picked up 7 satellites and the radio was fine too.
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10) Now I needed to get the GPS aerial INSIDE the dashboard. The most favoured position is on the left of the dashboard, basically quite close to the tax disc. Around this area is a thick metal bar (for body strength?), I fixed the GPS aerial there. To get my hand in I had to undo all the glove box screws and let it hang down plus I had to take the side panel off. This also helped me to feed the GPS connector along the dashboard to the back of the MFD.
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10a) Side panel removed feeding the GPS Antenna in
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10b) I zip-tied the excess GPS cable and mounted it securely on a metal fin. At upper left of the photo below you can see the thick metal bar, this is where the GPS antenna is mounted to.
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11) I pulled the extended DIN cable through and the extended snap in power connector through ready for fitting the din tray. Also at this point I pulled through the eliminator cable through from the Sat Nav loom (not seen on the photograph though) to connect to the back of the blue switch
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12) This photo shows the CD player nearly fully mounted (not fully pushed back in to the DIN tray in case of any problem) and all Sat Nav loom/cabling all pulled through ready for connection. At this point I again tested the Sat Nav before committing myself to pushing it in to its final position.NB the cabling is clearly quite chunky and caution has to be used to make sure it doesn't foul when pushing the MFD in to its final position. A lot of the excess cable can be pushed in to the large-ish space behind the climate control panel.
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13) Sat Nav unit now mounted and playing CD's from the CD player in the glove box :) Result!
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14) CD player mounted in the glove box and working
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14a) Unit in operation at night time.
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14b) CD player view - notice that it displays the play time in minutes/seconds on a CD - something the Gamma didn't do!
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14c) As part of the install I made sure my Nokia car kit worked with the MFD (muting the CD player/radio when in use), on this pic the phone is active, along with navigation and CD (muted!).
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Glad to be help Steve, very good "how to" you have made there [;)]

Happy with it all? Looks spot on mate, well done....[Y]

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Cheers all!

Ben, yeah I'm happy with it, just need to sort get hold of a newer Nav CD, I still haven't resolved the issue with not been able to enter any postcodes or house numbers, seems that my 2001 CD is either a bad copy with information missing or it simply doesn't have that information on it due to being older.

Are you thinking of any more interior/ICE mods yourself? You should get the Bora vents in, they really help finish the interior off and are definately not just a style improvement, the dual controls on the centre vent is extra funcionality too..
 

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JRW I do remember seeing your installation now and I can see why you did it but I prefer the way BenC and I did it. I'm not worried about the hole in the rear of the glove box, it woudn't be impossible to replace the glove box space with one from a scrappy if I really wanted to. I plan to keep this car for quite a while and with this in mind I decided to make the car how I wanted it so I can enjoy it and not worry about the hole.

The skin is now growing back on my knuckles and hands from pulling cables through in awkward spaces and all the other work with doing the conversion, well worth it though [ :D]
 

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Not at all, that way is a lot more professional and would prefer it myself.  I was just making people aware that it can be done without cutting the box (and that I was the 1st to do it!!!)
 

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JRW, whats all the fuss about? You was the first to do it your way (mounting 6disc player in bottom of glovebox), and myself and steve were the first to mount it at the top of the glovebox, which in my opinion looks more OEM, so enough of the i did it first, your acting like we are stating that we have done it first, when all we have done is provide a "step by step how to".

Ben.

Not at all, that way is a lot more professional and would prefer it myself. I was just making people aware that it can be done without cutting the box (and that I was the 1st to do it!!!)
 

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This is a great 'How to' guide and I am getting very tempted to try it out as well. One quick question, What different versions are there of the VW MFD navigation system and which is the best I a notice you mention the version G above?

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JRW, whats all the fuss about? You was the first to do it your way (mounting 6disc player in bottom of glovebox), and myself and steve were the first to mount it at the top of the glovebox, which in my opinion looks more OEM, so enough of the i did it first, your acting like we are stating that we have done it first, when all we have done is provide a "step by step how to".

Ben.

Not at all, that way is a lot more professional and would prefer it myself. I was just making people aware that it can be done without cutting the box (and that I was the 1st to do it!!!)
chill yourself. i washaving a joke not a slanging match. what is wrong with people lately.

'D' and 'G' are same except 'G' does postcodes. even though my 'D' does postcodes!?
 

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This is a great 'How to' guide and I am getting very tempted to try it out as well. One quick question, What different versions are there of the VW MFD navigation system and which is the best I a notice you mention the version G above?
Adrian, I'm also a little confused about the difference on D and G.. I know both D and G can do postcodes. I heard G was supposed to be superior, I think its possibly the way the address is entered, it has a sort of predictive text system that build up names from the alphabet as you enter them, possibly the D does not have this? On any MFD I've found the newer the "Tele Atlas" CD used, (the map CD that loads in the front) the better the results, my 2001 was pants, no postcodes/streetnumbers but the 2003 I have is much better. I'm still going to try to get a newer version.

One more thing, there is a MFD "DX" version, I saw one on ebay, with a photo of the product sticker on it, so its real, I've no idea if that has any special features or if its just a late version of the MFD D. Basically on Ebay MFD G are always the most expensive, so its a safe bet to try to get a G I think.

Good luck!
 

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Nice install! [Y] What is the navigation software like, acurate and easy to use? If I drove all over the place, to new places and such I would do this install.

BTW, would this set-up work with steering wheels controls? I can't see why not.
 

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Nice install! [Y] What is the navigation software like, acurate and easy to use? If I drove all over the place, to new places and such I would do this install.

BTW, would this set-up work with steering wheels controls? I can't see why not.
The Navi is easy to use, its been good up to now. I think its probably not as advanced as a Tomtom (which have the advantage of being much newer), but it does exactly what I need it to do and I dont have an extra bracket or wires (as I would for a tomtom).

Not sure about the steering wheel, I do seem to recall that a guy I met in 2003 with a fully loaded V5 170 (leather, cruise, satnav, dipping mirror, winter pack, parking sensors - THE LOT!) said that VW couldn't fit the multifunction wheel with his set up when he ordered it new..
 

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MFD vers D works with the steering wheel controls (I have them on my Bora). Apparently the G version needs the cables rooted through a TMC (Traffic announcments) box.
 

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HI

Hope you can help me

Ive just fitted a VW MFD version D in to my passat 1.8t all work well except when i plan a destination it plans the route but will not guide me if i press the enter button to bring up the navigation symbols / arrows it tells me im off road. if i go back to the map it shows my current location some where different to where i actually am, have you come accross this at all and if so how do i rectify this.

PS great write up
 

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As soon as an MFD pops up for a good price and will be doing this as well. Already have the 6CD changer.

Good write up. [Y]
 

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MFD and CD extension lead arrived this week so I will be fitting this tomorrow with the help of the above `How To'.

[Y]
 
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