[Bazmcc]

Is it possible for me to swap a 150PD engine into a car that had a 100PD engine?????

Is there much of a difference in the: Turbo, injectors, clutch.....etc.

Because i was thinking about doing this instead of trying to beef up
the 100PD. I would have more options with the 150 engine.

Any help would be great.

Thanks

Baz

 

[RJH]

I think something similar to this has already been asked, or at least the similarities so try this link!

http://www.uk-mkivs.net/forums/293040/ShowPost.aspx

 

[Bazmcc]

Hi

Thanks, but i read through it and mostly the talk was about the clutch
and injectors and turbo. I'm interested to see about stuff like
engine mounts, physical engine shape and stuff.

So the real questions are:

Could it fit physically?

Would i need to change the ECU?

Would i need to change the Turbo, air intake, Intercooler....etc?

Thanks

Baz

 

[A7_UFO]

So the real questions are:
Could it fit physically?
Would i need to change the ECU?
Would i need to change the Turbo, air intake, Intercooler....etc?

Yes, yes and yes. You'd be better off selling yours and buying a PD 150.

To do the conversion you need a complete PD 150 engine, clocks and keys. If you wanted to move from your 5spd box to the PD 150's 6spd you would also have to fabricate different mounts for the box.

If it was straight forward and easy everone would do it. Other thing is, a complete 150 is rather rare.

 

[JBS-Sales]

If you was to let us do a remap on the PD100 this would take it up to 150bhp.

?450.00 + VAT

Alot cheaper than a conversion.

www.custom-code.co.uk

Sarah

 

[tossy]

Has anyone had one of these Custom codes done? any feedback?

Plus and minus points.

Any where in the republic of ireland doing this?

 

[JBS-Sales]

I do believe that we have had some intrest from Ireland for a dealership.

The technician here has a Fabia PD100 Elegance and has had his done.

Rich1068`s wife has had her PD100 done too.

Keep an eye on the web site for new dealers , but it is good on the PD engines and the torque is good too.

Sarah

 

[Bazmcc]

Anything for a plug for remapping I see!!!!!

The whole point of me asking this question was so that I could reach more than 150bhp. Not strain my engine to reach it.

Baz

 

[Bazmcc]

I do believe that we have had some intrest from Ireland for a dealership.

The technician here has a Fabia PD100 Elegance and has had his done.

Rich1068`s wife has had her PD100 done too.

Keep an eye on the web site for new dealers , but it is good on the PD engines and the torque is good too.

Sarah

Any chance of before and after Dyno Sheets.

Thanks

Baz

 

[Cat1.4]

Hi

Thanks, but i read through it and mostly the talk was about the clutch
and injectors and turbo. I'm interested to see about stuff like
engine mounts, physical engine shape and stuff.

So the real questions are:

Could it fit physically?

Would i need to change the ECU?

Would i need to change the Turbo, air intake, Intercooler....etc?

The intercooler on a pd150 is front mounted, whereas the other models
are side mounted, so there'll be some juggling around that area to do

 

[aidan]

Could try a complete pd130 engine and get a decent clutch for your
5speed, use the existing intercooler, and then get a 130 remap loaded
onto your ecu

 

[Bazmcc]

Could try a complete pd130 engine and get a decent clutch for your 5speed, use the existing intercooler, and then get a 130 remap loaded onto your ecu

That's not a bad point, It'd save a load of hassle as well. I could pick the extra 20hp out of something I'm sure.

I don't think the intercooler would be a problem. Because there's a decent range of intercoolers available including larger side mounted ones.

So is the physical shape of the 130 exactly the same as the 100? And would i be right in suggesting that the ecu and injectors could be the only difference.

Ideally what i would be aiming for is at least a 200bhp TDI, with enough torque to rip trees out of the ground . . . .lol.

Baz

 

[aidan]

The ecu is different, but is controlling the same things i.e different
mapping of the 'same' engine. I'm not up to date with the immobiliser
issues of changing the ecu, but i'd try and use existing ecu so as to
not tempt fate. Please make sure this is 100% possible beforehand
though, I have been told its definitely possible to do this before on
this forum with a 130 engine and 150 ecu but never tried it.

The engine is identical if you mean engine mount issues, make sure if
you do buy an engine though it is from a transverse model. Yes the
injectors are different, as is the compression ratio.

The turbo on the 130 is different also, but I believe regardless of the
manufacturer of the 100,115,130 turbos (i think borg-warner makes the
100s, garrett the 115/130s) the outlets are in the same place. The
turbo won't get you 200bhp though if that is your aim. If you want that
you'd need a bigger turbo, along with new exhaust manifold and whole
load of headaches or get a hybrid thus cancelling out any money saving!

I sold a pd130 engine about a year ago for about ?250, so you can get them quite cheap. Budget for a clutch though.

 

[A7_UFO]

I sold a pd130 engine about a year ago for about ?250, so you can get them quite cheap.

If, for ?250, the engine was complete and in full running order that is about a third of the going price. The 02M box allown retails 2nd hand for more than that.

If you want to use the 130 ecu that came with the 130 engine then you will also need the matching clocks (then fitted into your car) and keys. I wouldn't recommend you use your current 100 ecu reflashed with 130 data. Even though I have removed the immoboliser out of the ecu I am still having problems after doing the same thing but using a 130 ecu reflashed in my 150.

 

[JBS-Sales]

The main problem with the new engines is that the ECU controls everything.

On most cases even the radio.

So what you would need to do is to replace the ECU with the donor vehicle one.

That then would mean quite a bit of rewiring.

You could always use an after market ECU but then you would not be able to remap it.

I was not Plugging as such the remap , I was just stating that there was an easier way of reaching the 150bhp that you wanted for your car.

Alot easier and megga amouts cheaper.

Sarah

 

[A7_UFO]

You can't use stand alone after market ecus on PDs. Issues with immoboliser.

What wiring would be required from fitting the donor vehicle ecu with the donor vehicle engine?

 

[Richard W]

......Ideally what i would be aiming for is at least a 200bhp TDI, with enough torque to rip trees out of the ground . . . .lol

Sorry, but I don't understand why you want to spend ?000s and hours changing everything when you could start with a 150PD and chip it - 195bhp easily.

To my mind you'd need:

Engine inc turbo and loom
Gearbox
Exhaust
Intercooler
Pipework & Airbox(?)
Boost control sensors
Complete suspension springs shocks and possibly ARBs the one's on the 100 may be smaller than the 130/150
Complete Brakes - inc hubs calipers etc
Clocks ECU etc

Then you'd need custom mapping and RR time.....

I ask because I know that many simply get the enjoyment out of building something different, I'm simply lazy and would start from the best spec possible.

I'd start with something like this....

2002 02 Reg VOLKSWAGEN Golf 1.9 GT TDI 150
3 Doors, Manual 6 speed, Hatchback, 91,000 miles, Metallic Reflex Silver, 1 Owner. Alloy wheels, Climate Control, Colour coding - Body, Full service history. ?7,850.

 

[A7_UFO]

Working backwards from what Richard put.

Engine inc turbo and loom - complete engine and box can be picked up. But very rare. Estimate ?1k
Gearbox
Exhaust - current one would fit fine but would probably uprate anyway.
Intercooler - I have a standard PD 150 fmic in my garage which you could have for ?60. To get to 200bhp you'd need a custom one.
Pipework & Airbox(?) - should come with engine.
Boost control sensors - should come with engine.
Complete suspension springs shocks and possibly ARBs - would probably uprate anyway
Complete Brakes - inc hubs calipers etc - would probably uprate anyway
Clocks ECU etc - should come with engine.
Then you'd need custom mapping and RR time.....- would need to do anyway to get to 150bhp

So, presuming you would uprate the suspension, brakes, exhaust and remap (about ?2k all in) as most people do anyway then the prices you would face are c.?1k for the engine, box, ecu, clocks, keys and about ?1,500 in labour in fitting it in to your car. So thats ?2,500 for the conversion on top of ?2,000 to get the chassis/exhaust/remap. Sure you don't just want a remap?

 

[aidan]

Yes the 130 engine was complete i,e intact and running, 29k miles and
had air con compressor on it too. No wiring or gearbox though.

I don't understand immobiliser issues running a remapped ecu? As far as
the ecu knows its running the original engine right? The ecu isn't
removed and is still matched to clocks and the keys so where is the
problem. People who run big turbos on pds must still be using original
ecu.

I'm interested to know though, what in the form of sensors etc. is
different on the pd130 to the pd100, that would cause the ecu to have
problems?

 

[JBS-Sales]

There is a guy who is doing the swap on his Fabia PD100 to the PD130 vRS engine on Briskoda.

Try a search on there and you will find the complications he has had.

Sarah