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Hi all,

I was recommended this site to find out more about uprating the standard PD130 injectors to something a little more potent.

My car is a Skoda Fabia vRS - it will have a turbodynamics MD345 hybrid
(think it's VNT17 with VNT20 internals etc). Also a Forge FMIC.

The injectors will be running at pretty much maxed out if this gets tuned up 'properly'.

Has someone here tuned up the PD130 engine and uprated their injectors?
If so, did you run into any problems with the remapping, where did you
get it from, and if you don't mind, what was the cost approx for parts
+ fitting?

Bit of a 'first post' but why not ;)

Thanks for your feedback :)
 

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Hi all,

I was recommended this site to find out more about uprating the standard PD130 injectors to something a little more potent.

My car is a Skoda Fabia vRS - it will have a turbodynamics MD345 hybrid (think it's VNT17 with VNT20 internals etc). Also a Forge FMIC.

The injectors will be running at pretty much maxed out if this gets tuned up 'properly'.

Has someone here tuned up the PD130 engine and uprated their injectors? If so, did you run into any problems with the remapping, where did you get it from, and if you don't mind, what was the cost approx for parts + fitting?

Bit of a 'first post' but why not ;)

Thanks for your feedback :)
I'd talk to Allard.

Check out this link, they list uprated PD injectors at ?975 + vat on an exchange basis.

http://www.allardmotorcompany.com/pages/products/info/whats-new.asp
 

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Personally I wouldn't talk to Allard but that's up to you. You can
actually get more out of the stock injectors than you can see with vag
com but I don't know how to do it. You'd need to speak to a mapper to
find out more. You can get aftermarket injectors and they are coming
down in price so it may be worth hanging on a bit.
 

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Thanks for your responses :)

I'm looking at Custom Code Phase 2 as with hybrid turbo, FMIC and the
usual PD160 air intake + green filter, plus Blueflame sports cat full
system it should tune up nicely ;)

Will have to give James @ JBS a buzz I think, see what kinda price
uprated injectors would be, how much trouble it would/could cause, and
whether I'm gonna hit the limits on the standard ones. I was told the
standard injectors would be running at about 95% of capacity, which
sounds like it's rather close to the limit.

The package I'm trying to put together will have to be reliable for
day-to-day driving, no track driving will be done, so deffo getting a
clutch upgrade too.

Will try to post back as soon as I find out more [Y]
 

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Sounds like it shouldn't be necessary at this point - it would allow a
bit more power but based on the costs and the amount of hassle (labour)
I will give this one a miss for the time being.

It's already going to be a full custom stage 2 remap as it is, at
probably 1.5 days without my car, so that's gonna be interesting :)

Will be getting that uprated clutch fitted though, assuming I can get
it done a week before the remap that will be run in (500 miles minimum
needed).

Cheers,

WW
 

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Welcome to the forum[Y]. I've done similar work to my PD150 but spent rather longer than 1.5 days without my car before it was alright.

The main lesson I have learned from this is not to do everything at once, especially where injectors are concerned. When the car wouldn't run right, we couldn't isolate the problem. The turbo wouldn't hold boost, but the turbo manufacturer blamed the injectors, etc. You go round in circles.

I have refitted standard injectors, the car runs fine and I am extremely happy with how it is running.

My spec is

  • PD150 Anni
  • Custom FMIC and aluminium piping - minimal use of Samco.
  • Turbo Dynamics MD376 Stage 2 hybrid
  • Standard injectors
  • Custom 2.5" straight through exhaust from turbo, minimal baffles.
  • Standard airbox and filter
  • Peloquin torque biasing diff (essential to add some form of LSD to your list mate I kid you not, JBS favour the Quaife version)
  • Sachs organic 460NM clutch - great bit of kit.
  • Superchips custom remap 214bhp 319lb/ft see Awesome RR thread for plots, lots of everything from 2k all the way to the redline. This was mapped as a test, and more fuelling is available from the standard injectors. Will probably have it back for a tweak soon.

I also have the uprated injectors in reserve and may look at a different profile of camshaft and VF Engineering engine mounts. Not in any hurry to incur further expense right now though.

You will have plenty of fun using the standard injectors and its a whole lot simpler and cheaper. The PD130 and PD150 share the same part number.
 

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Will have to check the spec on that turbo you've got :)

Mine's the MD345 (I had to double-check, thought they had that wrong hehe).

On the Fabia the air intake is restrictive so the PD160 air intake
(from Seat) fits and helps makes things breathe a little easier top-end
wise.

Hmm a diff - not even considered that one, I suppose I'll end up with
that as well :( - the car has ESP on it, not the standard ASR, but
still. What is the main benefit of such a diff, does it prevent torque
steer or something ? (really have no clue about this particular part)

Sachs clutch - trying to find out if someone nearby is able to get hold
of it & fit it, I was told the Sachs one will hold pretty much any
power you chuck at it (NOS included) and gets used for drag racing - I
won't be doing any of that but I want a good clutch, so that's gonna
happen (trying to get it soon so I can run it in properly pre-remap).

My remap will likely be with JBS at their head-office in Chesterfield,
they said it's likely to take1.5 days as well, as they havent done a
remap with my spec yet.

Much appreciate your comments with regards to mounts & injectors -
all things considered I'm kinda glad I didnt get them at the same time.
Will keep an eye out around here too to see if you end up fitting them
in then end ;)

It is likely to be a few weeks before I can get the remap done as I'm
still getting bits fitted (suspension next Sunday, then probably more
stuff the weekend after if I'm lucky. Blueflame sports cat + headlight
(xenon) re-alignment and 4WA will be done by a friendly MOT test
station/fitter with the right equipment, then FMIC, hybrid, and LT450
detector).

It's gonna be an awesome sleeper - most days it will be cruising at
normal motorway speeds, it will probably be the most fun on backroads
after the changes, dunno if you've driven a Fab vRS but the suspension
changes should improve things a lot, cornering wise :D
 

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Spec for Stage 2 ? MD376<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>

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Hi flow 2275 spec compressor wheel, cnc machined compressor housing, 360 degree thrust bearing, cut back turbine blades, lightening of turbine wheel for faster ?spool up?, modified V.N.T. turbine housing, uprated turbine seals. Other ?blueprinting? modifications. APPROX 240-260 BHP

If you want the actual TD spec sheet PM me your email address and I'll send it over.

Differential makes such a difference that ESP hardly operates even in slippy conditions. See article on Peloquins website here for an excellent explanation http://www.peloquins.com/pr_euro_car_2003.html

The Sachs clutch can be bought direct from UK importer Triple Eight here https://www.sachs-uk.co.uk/start.asp The organic one is perfectly fine don't feel you have to get the racing one its unsuitable for road use.

Sounds like you have similar goals to me - mine is also a sleeper - http://www.uk-mkivs.net/forums/441160/ShowPost.aspx

I've driven a standard VRS briefly on a track day - great fun!

You're only in Abingdon, not far from Watford. Why not come over and sample the effect of some of these mods have before you commit to so much expense?

James
 

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I'm not sure you can get the Sachs clutch from triple 8 anymore as they
weren't really doing much with them. I know JBS were looking at taking
on the distributor role so check with them.

I too have the Sachs clutch and Peloquin lsd the same as James and
they're fantastic. You can get the power down earlier and harder coming
out of corners with the diff.

I currently have NOS but am going to take it out and sell it as I need
the money. At some point I'd like to put in a hybrid turbo but I have
to pay for my plasma screen first!! The uprated clutch handles the
extra torque (346lb/ft) with no probs whatsoever.
 

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JBS definitely can do & fit the Sachs one for me at a bit over 700 quid (711 IIRC).

The LSD then - I may try to get to Watford at some point (annoyingly it
won't be soon with work and Valentine's getting in the way, plus
getting a ton of stuff fitted over the next few weeks)

Does the LSD fit the Fabia vRS though or is it for the Golf model only?
As the Fab vRS is a fair bit smaller there are a few differences, the
turbo was one of them.

I've decided not go get injectors at this stage as I don't think I'll
benefit much from them, esp. considering cost/risk. I have sent an
email to a local garage here but not heard anything yet, will have to
ring them instead I suppose. The remap will be done by JBS at some
point, bit of a trip to Chesterfield but I reckon it will be worth it
[:)]

All the other gear is either awaiting in my loft or underway.

The LSD isnt on my insurance form that I sent in so won't be able to do
that for a bit even if I do get the money, but it sounds like it could
be a good one to get 'next' [;)]

Tonight I'm doing the painting thing (Green hammerite smooth) on the
Audi TT calipers (312 mm conversion) which will keep me entertained for
a while...
 

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Good stuff. It would be sensible to sort the LSD at the same time as the clutch install otherwise you will duplicate a whole heap of labour.

You need to know the gearbox code for your car. Take off the undertray and it is stamped on the plate on the gearbox. The 6sp box found on most MkIV's inc PD130 and PD150 is the 02M. All variants of the Peloquin are listed on the site. JBS will advise you about the Quaife.

I can't imagine the LSD affecting your insurance in the light of the other mods. Lets face it, it reduces your chances of leaving the road.[:|]
 

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[:D] Well it might end up on the list in that case LOL

JBS basically said that as long as I stay away from hard accelerating
at low revs in high gears all should be well with the clutch.

There are several of the guys running at decent bhp which still run the
standard clutch and have done so for a while, but I definitely want to
get it sorted :)

Much appreciate all the info you guys are chucking my way & will no
doubt have a chat with JBS and my insurance broker about all this,
heheee

Thanks,

Wiebo
 

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I would beg to differ that your clutch will cope. I know NikB's standard clutch did a good job for a while with his NOS but that's in short bursts, not all the time, and he has since fitted the Sachs. It's power transfer is solid. Mated with the LSD it's a revelation. Even with a basic remap my PD150 clutch could slip particularly when accelrating from low revs in 5th and 6th.

If JBS deliver the expected power you are after, you will be testing your clutch on a regular basis even in normal driving.

By the way, forum sponsor Richard Broadfield of JBR Performance is running a Group Buy on Peloquins http://www.vag20v.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1235

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I agree - it won't cope for very long for sure. It will be replaced
with the Sachs Organic clutch for sure - depending on time etc it may
have to be post-remap though and that will definitely mean working
around it [:(]

I have a feeling it will go as follows:

1. Fit all the gear

2. Visit JBS and stay overnight to get custom remap phase 2 done, with
performance and a 'would be safe for a standard turbo & clutch' map
added I suppose

3. Perhaps stay a bit longer to get LSD + clutch done.

I'd better start saving up even more

Thanks for the GB linky
 

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I would def start saving up for the diff and clutch to be done at the
same time. In the long run its going to save you hundreds as the clutch
has to come out for the diff to go in. You're looking at 10 hours
labour for the lot. 8 hours if its just the clutch.

With just a remap my car was fine on the standard clutch. And as James
says I did run the nos on standard clutch for a short while but when we
changed it for the Sachs clutch you could see where the plate had been
'grabbed' so it was wearing more in some areas.
 

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Will do - it sure sounds like it will be worth it [:D]

Suppose the installation order will be:

* Install suspension related stuff + TT brakes

* Install blueflame system, FMIC, hybrid and alu sumpguard.

* Book in for remap to get it tuned up and discuss getting the LSD & Clutch

* Go back again to get that fitted etc.
 

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Sounds like a good plan. How much are you paying for your brakes? If
you can stretch to something like R32 brakes assuming you have space
under your rims they will give better performance as are larger discs
and I believe 2pot.
 

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I got them via 'golfturbo' on briskoda.net - can't remember exactly but
they are a straight fit onto the standard 16" alloys. That's about the
biggest ones it will take without switching up to 17".

The standard brakes on the Fabia vRS are 288 mm IIRC but they lack good
feedback and don't always appear to be consistent (they probably are) -
although they slow the car down well the 312mm TT brakes fit on without
tweaking. Other than painting them in Hammerite Smooth Green to get the
more OEM look for Skodas, they are a straight swap [:D]
 

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Definitely, and although the delivery guy downstairs nearly dropped it
(was expecting very little weight, instead got loads of it [:p] ) all
went well and as per agreed up front. Was nice doing business with
GolfTurbo.

Managed to get hold of the insurance brokers in time (stupid form still
hasnt arrived, typical) to add the Quaife to the list. I should be
getting told by Tuesday whether it's ok and what kinda cost. Assuming I
don't go bankrupt as a result of the premium hike, I will instead spend
that bankruptcy money [:p] on getting it + Sachs Organic one done by
JBS.

It is likely I will need to do this in two goes as it will be a 3 day
session otherwise. I kinda prefer to get the diff + clutch on (which
will take 1.5 days anyway) and run them in, then remap the rest etc.
That said if I am able to get a 3 day session away from work it's gonna
be ace too [:D]

Once all this gear is on I will hide my credit cards from myself
though, as Quaife + clutch + fitting etc will set me back about GBP
1770 inc VAT -[:(]
 
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