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Thanks to alot of help from Big Boys Toys i have chosen my suspension
setup along with my desired wheels. These are the first things im going
to be taking care of before i decide to get the money together to fit a
bodykit etc.

For suspension i am going with KW Version1's along with a Rear Neuspeed
Swaybar to get the car slammed to the most of its ability

I have chosen to go for the lovely BBS LMs which i am getting the money
together for as we speak. My only decision is whether i should go with
18" or 19" cause im not sure on the ride quality with 19s unfortunately.

What does everyone think? Am i doing the right decision?
 

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I would say start it off on maximum height and wind it down gradually, as the car will behave differently (usually worse) when you slam it, and even the manufacturers of the coilovers don't recommend you slam it (for general use?) all the way (kinda makes you wonder why they make them able to go that low...)

Certainly a good choice of quality kit all the way. Wouldn't expect huge differences in ride with 18/19 but of course tyres will cost more for 19 and the wheel will be heavier.
 

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I would say start it off on maximum height
and wind it down gradually, as the car will behave differently (usually
worse) when you slam it, and even the manufacturers of the coilovers
don't recommend you slam it (for general use?) all the way (kinda makes
you wonder why they make them able to go that low...)

Certainly a good choice of quality kit all the way. Wouldn't expect
huge differences in ride with 18/19 but of course tyres will cost more
for 19 and the wheel will be heavier.
Would you be able to tell me how much you suspect a tyre to cost when needing replaced coming in at 19"?

I appreciate your reply about maximum height. I never knew this and
will definately take it into consideration. If i was to get it at its
maximum height would it be easy enough for myself to lower it gradually?

Cheers!
 

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I would say start it off on maximum height and wind it down gradually, as the car will behave differently (usually worse) when you slam it.....
Excellent advice - stop when you're front wishbones are parallel to the ground, otherwise you'll screw up the roll-centre/CoG relationship (and the handling!), and then adjust the rear ride height to make it look level.
 

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19 inch tyres would be 235/35/19 and for quality rubber ie pirelli/michelin/continental you're looking at 180 ish  225/40/18 would be 150ish
 

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Appreciate the replies once again.

Thats going to be quite expensive to replace all four tyres on 19s
then. Guess im not going to be able to do any burnouts anytime soon [:D]

Sounds like its going to be quite a mission for me to lower this
gradually and try and get everything level. I thought it would have
been alot easier to slam the car and leave it at that. That way i
wouldnt need to worry about playing with anything once i got them
fitted. Im not a handy man unfortunately[:(]
 

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Se if you can find a local race team who may have corner weighting kit - it would be the best option to optimise the handling.

If all you want to do is lower it then IMHO you don't need coilovers - a good suspension kit with lowered springs would do the same thing far cheaper (and wouldn't affect your insurance....).
 

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Se if you can find a local race team who may have corner weighting kit - it would be the best option to optimise the handling.

If all you want to do is lower it then IMHO you don't need coilovers
- a good suspension kit with lowered springs would do the same thing
far cheaper (and wouldn't affect your insurance....).
I agree with you there mate but at the same time saying that im not
just wanting them for maximum lowering ability. I am interested in
coilovers for the ride quality along with the great handling.

Unfortunately im not 100% sure im going to be able to find a local race
team. Im going to have a look into it to find out if i could get hold
of a corner weighting kit which you have mentioned before. If im not
able to find this kind of kit do you have any other suggestions? Could
i find a garage and see how much it would cost them to lower my car to
perfection everynow and then? I thought this could be a wise decision
depending on how much it would cost me.

I appreciate the help you have been giving me with things so far [D]
 

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gENERIX...get your wallet out boy.

i love what i am hearing.

do the 19's and if you dont like them,i will give you a couple of squid for them.[;)]
 

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gENERIX...get your wallet out boy.

i love what i am hearing.

do the 19's and if you dont like them,i will give you a couple of squid for them.[;)]
That sounds a real good deal with the 19s situation mate [:)]

I know im going to be forking out a fair bit of cash but its definately going to be worth it. BBS 19s, cant complain!
 

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I don't know whether you know of them or not, but Kenny Brown Motor Sport Engineers in Hillington are a good bet if you're looking for some work done or sound advice with your set up.

They have their own rally team, and although they specialise in Cosworths they have worked on everything from my old Renault 5 Turbo to competition Porsches!!

I'll be using them to fit and set up my new suspension when I get it very soon.

Might be worth a try mate.
 

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I don't know whether you know of them or
not, but Kenny Brown Motor Sport Engineers in Hillington are a good bet
if you're looking for some work done or sound advice with your set up.

They have their own rally team, and although they specialise in
Cosworths they have worked on everything from my old Renault 5 Turbo to
competition Porsches!!

I'll be using them to fit and set up my new suspension when I get it very soon.

Might be worth a try mate.
Cheers man

Do you know how far Hillington is from Livingston cause unfortunately i have not got a clue!

Do you think KBMSE would be able to help me out when it comes to
lowering my suspension and doing it correctly? It would be excellent if
they could because i would not need to worry about the correct stance
if they were able to give me a hand doing it properly.

Do you think they will charge me? Its good to see they specialise in Cosworths, i cant get enough of them [:)]
 

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19's [:D]I have 19s on the TT (BBS LeMans) and Golf (BBSChallenge) both with 235 35 tyres the Golf is an anni with the 30 mm lower suspenion and to be honest the ride did not suffer much when I changed to 19 from the 18s but if you are changing from 16s or 17s you might notice the change a bit more
 

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Im going to have a look into it to find out if i could get hold of a corner weighting kit which you have mentioned before. If im not able to find this kind of kit do you have any other suggestions?
This is probably the cheapest corner weight guage I could find.

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/products/ProductDetail.asp?cls=MSPORT&pcode=P/PPP2

Basically you set your ride height on all the wheels and then go round the car to balance the weight from side to side (not front to back as they can't cope) to ensure that any weight transfer in cornering is even. There is a far better explanation of this somewhere.....[:$]

The Motorsport place that's been suggested will charge you for this as it's not a short process. It stems from coilovers being primarily used on race cars and the specific needs of being able to change the setup for each track. Personally I think coilovers are a waste on anything other than show cars (where they ground them at the show and then lift them up to drive them) track and rally cars. The height adjustment tends to be completely unsused and sometimes the bodies corrode to the extent that even if you did want to adjust them you couldn't......

My suggestion is that if you just want to improve the handling (let's face it the ride will suffer to some extent) then you'd be better simply putting some good springs on with some shocks of matching quality. Eibach/H&R matched with Konis or Bilsteins are popular on here, and I think the new Koni FSD kit is getting some good reviews. There is a lengthy thread on Vortex about why you shouldn't lower a Mk4 too much (roll-centres etc) and basically it comes up with the conclusion that any more than 30-35mm is too much and will screw up the handling.

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Have a look here:

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=621342

and here:

http://www.uk-mkivs.net/forums/443612/ShowPost.aspx

for more on the subject of handling.
 

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My only decision is whether i should go with 18" or 19" cause im not sure on the ride quality with 19s unfortunately.
Having been driven about 500 odd miles to awesome gti and back at the weekend in Kevs golf (RS Golf - Weitec coilovers, with BBS 19" CH's), I have to say I was very impressed with the quality of the ride. I had never had a ride in a golf with coilovers and large rims like that it has a better quality ride/handling, but never, I found, at the expense of the comfort. I found it a very comfortable car to be driven in.

I'm very pleased as it has now made up my mind about buying kw coilovers for my car soon [:D]
 

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For suspension i am going with KW Version1's along with a Rear Neuspeed Swaybar to get the car slammed to the most of its ability

I have chosen to go for the lovely BBS LMs which i am getting the money together for as we speak.

What does everyone think? Am i doing the right decision?
You lucky, lucky ..(insert expletive here!!)

LM's, 19's should be the ONLY option! And i can't believe you had to ask if you're doing the right thing!! [:O]
 

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Im happy to see so many replies. They are definately helping
me out in my decisions.

<o:p></o:p>

Having been driven about 500 odd miles to awesome gti and back at the
weekend in Kevs golf (RS Golf - Weitec coilovers, with BBS
19" CH's), I have to say I was very impressed with the quality of the
ride. I had never had a ride in a golf with coilovers and large rims like
that it has a better quality ride/handling, but never, I found, at the expense
of the comfort. I found it a very comfortable car to be driven in.<o:p></o:p>

I'm very pleased as it has now made up my mind about buying kw coilovers for
my car soon [:D]<o:p></o:p>
I am glad to see you have had a first hand experience of KW Coilovers and
19" wheels. I was worried that the ride quality would not be as good as it
would be with 18" due to that extra inch which could increase the chances
of rubbing. I have been suggested by Big Boys Toys that arch work is
recommended which im going to go ahead with. The only problem i had with
19" alloys was trying to justify spending over ?150+ a wheel the next time
they were to be replaced. Im sure it will be worth it cause to be honest im
only ever going to need to replace my wheels every so often. Will the insurance
increase by a good bit if i was to put my wheels down on the insurance?

<o:p></o:p>

LM's, 19's should be the ONLY option! And i can't believe you had to ask if
you're doing the right thing!! [:O]<o:p></o:p>
For that sort of money i know i could be getting myself a different set of
alloys. I was not sure if they were the best wheels to go for at that kind of
price but after a good while looking into forums etc i am pretty much sure now
that i am making the right decision!

<o:p></o:p>

I?m going to have a look into it to find out
if i could get hold of a corner weighting kit which you have mentioned before.
If I?m not able to find this kind of kit do you have any other
suggestions?
<o:p></o:p>

This is probably the cheapest corner weight guage I could find. <o:p></o:p>

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/products/ProductDetail.asp?cls=MSPORT&pcode=P/PPP2<o:p></o:p>

Basically you set your ride height on all the wheels and then go round the
car to balance the weight from side to side (not front to back as they can't
cope) to ensure that any weight transfer in cornering is even. There is a far
better explanation of this somewhere.....[:$]<o:p></o:p>

The Motorsport place that's been suggested will charge you for this as it's
not a short process. It stems from coilovers being primarily used on race cars
and the specific needs of being able to change the setup for each track.
Personally I think coilovers are a waste on anything other than show cars
(where they ground them at the show and then lift them up to drive
them) track and rally cars. The height adjustment tends to be completely unused
and sometimes the bodies corrode to the extent that even if you did want to
adjust them you couldn't......<o:p></o:p>

My suggestion is that if you just want to improve the handling (let's face
it the ride will suffer to some extent) then you'd be better simply putting
some good springs on with some shocks of matching quality. Eibach/H&R
matched with Konis or Bilsteins are popular on here, and I think the new Koni
FSD kit is getting some good reviews. There is a lengthy thread on Vortex about
why you shouldn't lower a Mk4 too much (roll-centres etc) and basically it
comes up with the conclusion that any more than 30-35mm is too much and will
screw up the handling.
<o:p></o:p>

Richard you have always been a great help when it comes to giving me answers
when it comes down to things like Suspension etc. If i was to get myself the KW
V1s which i am pretty sure i am, how many times do you think i would need to go
through the process of setting the correct weight in cornering if i was to get
it done by KBMSE to get my desired ride height? I am going to be taking
your advice and let the coilovers settle in properly before i consider dropping
the ride height.<o:p></o:p>

How much money would i be saving if i was to go along with the shocks and
springs? I have read on VW-Votex a number of times that the only way to go is
with coilovers which i am starting to agree with. At first i was not sure but
once you compare peoples ride heights and quality of driving it seems that i am
doing the best decision. Along with the coilovers i would be allowed to drop
the car and know i would still be able to get people in the back seats unlike
alot of my mates who have dropped their cars but just with the shocks which isn?t
too practical.<o:p></o:p>
 

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Kenny Brown Motor Sport, Hillington is only about 40 minutes from Livingston mate and easy to get to, it's right next to the Braehead shopping centre if you know where that is.

As far as helping out with your set up etc goes, they're sh*t hot, plus they won't rip you off. I know a load of people who have taken their cars in for various work and said nothing but good things. I'm always impressed by the standard of cars they have in their shop getting worked on (always a good sign IMO). The last time I took a car in was to have the suspension lowered on my R5 GTT and the Renault dealer wanted ?195 plus VAT, plus I had to buy the tool for adjusting the rear torsion bar. Kenny Brown took ?90 all in, and that included the wheels being tracked etc.

It's worth giving them a bell mate, even for some free advice over the phone! As I said, I'll be taking mine in very soon to get my new suspension fitted.
 
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