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There are a number of very misleading statements in their advert and their spelling is awful.

Their German site has no content, other than the home page, which is odd for a company called Slipstream Deutsch.

Other than that no comment.
 

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You can buy on the net an ECU flasher, you can read and write your ECU and some come with 30,000 files for cars and cost around ?150 ish, these are great if you know what your doing but are cheap because they are copies of the original software proffesional tuners use hence they are illegal. My guess is this guy may be using one of these flashers. here is an example:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=30921&item=8040459497
 

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We are personally in talks with them now, they are liars end of !

They say there techs are original vw programmers but this isnt true, Hern Brand was on the original team, i know this as we work with him direct and he doesnt know these jokers.

They make loads of claims which are all lies, your just buying the product of an ecu flasher, kwp software and a 7.99 cd.

send them a pm and ask them what percentage you modify the smoke map when taking a 150hp pd too 190hp and see if they can reply.

they know nothing !
 

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We are personally in talks with them now, they are liars end of !

They say there techs are original vw programmers but this isnt true, Hern Brand was on the original team, i know this as we work with him direct and he doesnt know these jokers.

They make loads of claims which are all lies, your just buying the product of an ecu flasher, kwp software and a 7.99 cd.

send them a pm and ask them what percentage you modify the smoke map when taking a 150hp pd too 190hp and see if they can reply.

they know nothing !
I am AMAZED, not long ago people where saying the same about your chipped UK. A simple "i wouldnt go there would suffice"

This should be a sticky.
 

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Yes i know what you mean,

The difference however is that we have a huge history in car tuning, its all i have done since leaving school.

these people are trying to cash in on people not knowing anything about the business and selling crap.
 

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or is this a more realistic price for a 5 min job?
Ask the seller a technical question, any question and see if he can answer it and then make an informed desision of wether or not it is worth ?100 of your money.

?100 is good money for stolen files.
 

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i know exactly what you mean, but then so is 500 (the amount of times you've sold a map at least) x ?300 for a map that prob cost ?2-4k to develop? if his files are stolen, and are of a "good" map that took someone a while to develop then surely it's no worse than the map the original vendor was trying to develop? it's the same old story the world over with software related sales you will always get "pirates" but rest assured there is a certain customer that will always be willing to be bent over by the supplier of "originals", it's no different to downloading mp3's, moraly wrong but financially very pleasing! you and many of the other "chip" specialists on here provide a very good service, but after the chip has been developed (just out of curiosity how often do you try and "improve" existing maps?) rest assured that you are making very good money and aren't doing it for nothing, you can't blame the guy for trying!
 

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I understand what your saying and take it on board.

I think most of the programmers who sell on this site would make each map specific to the customers requirement so wouldnt usually use the same file.

With software and hardware and the general costs of running a business like ours your looking at around ?200,000 to set up then there is development work and the 16 years of work to get to where i am now (many others around the same time too)

These people buy files from dodgy sources whithout knowing the background so the end user/customer is getting something with no backup or warrenty.

If the engine goes pop there is no comeback, this particular company are not even registered at companies house and more than likely pay no tax so once you have driven off your on your own.

I appreciate some people are just after the cheapest option which is why companies like us offer what we beleive to be the best competative priced mapping around but people like these take a slice of the market they dont deserve, we used to call these types of people chancers when i was a lad :)
 

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i totally understand what you mean about chancers, and i sympathise with your comments about how long it took you to get where you are today and how much it has cost you, without the goodguys like you and a few others, there would be no benchmark on which to gauge these "chancers". i am curious tho, could your maps be copied by these people, from cars with your maps installed? and as your maps are generic, they are obviously made within safe margins, so would it not be fair to say that a copy of your map would be "as" safe? anyhow this wasn't meant as a dig at all the mappers, hell, without them we would all be stuck with 150bhp! (or like mine feels,75bhp!) chippeduk has got the reputation you deserve for all the hard work (and cash) you put into it, just don't stop developing! and give me a shout when you get 250bhp out of an agu!
 

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:)

Basically yes is the answer, software we develop can be coppied and if done correctly it will work on the car although this would then be a generic map as we map each car individually.

It would run the car fine as long as the hardware and software match but it is the cheap crap these people use that causes the issues.

They use programming tools called kwp which are as reliable as a chocolate fireguard.

The files often get corrupted as they are sent to the ecu and cause the owner no end of trouble.
 

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Just so you know how good these 'slipstream' guys are, there was an unfortunate guy who went for this, the guy came out to do the 'flash' on the car, read the ecu number but didn't read the full file, proceeded to flash it via OBD and the flash failed, car was left for 8 weeks!!! While the ECU was sent to Germany to be fixed. The owner of the car was fed excuse after excuse and it all got very stroppy in the end, I'd avoid them like the plague!
 

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We have 2 ecu`s here now, an me7 and an edc15 to fix for customers of there`s.

With there superior tech ability you would think they could take off a psop and resus a dead ecu instead of the long haul trip to germany. :D
 

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I'd always say if you can't fix it don't try programming it up the OBD port, but there are so many people out there that can only OBD. I'd not feel comfortable doing anything I couldn't fix personally.
 
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