[thechief]

Just to add some spice to the old argument i had a go with a local one the other night. He has a full de-cat and i have a chip and turboback exhaust and a few other bits. Anyway mods don't matter as the GSi is supposedly faster. He was by himself and i had my 15 stone work mate in the car. Pulled out onto the road and even though i wheelspun through the whole of first and alot of second i still pulled a few car lengths on it. He couldn't pull near my car and i was gradually losing it up to silly speeds. My car only runs 1bar (220bhp) so i was surprised at this but there is no doubt the GSi is a fast car. So either my expectations of the R are under par or that encounter that was had before the driver wasn't trying in.

Simple facts this time, had i been beat i'd admit it []

 

[Alex1.8T]

a mate of mine has an astra gsi and i agree they are pretty quick, but he has just bought himself some astra which is stupid fast, its had a conversion, 2.0L Turbo i think with some hybrid turbo developing 300bhp. I pooed my pants when he took me in it as he is a loonatic and this car is seriously fast, it supposedly does 60 in about 4 secs or summat, i have to agree with it as it feels quite a bit quicker than my dads porsche! but maybe cos its just a tin can and feels fast!

still its a poo poo car, but is very fast!

 

[Kieran Burns]

Oh.

I had a foot race with an Astra GSi just this week and pulled a few car lengths ahead of him... Errr..... Is my little 4Mo that quick????

 

[craigGSI]

you win some you loose some

we could also argue that this time the GSI driver wasnt trying []

and bare in mind the R32 was standard in the first race and all i had was a BMC and de-cat pipe

my car was rolling roaded two weeks later at 213bhp in a car that weighs alot less than a 230bhp golf

so them sitting side by side wasnt that a suprise TBH

isnt it also funny that a member on this site with a re-maped anni turbo couldnt pass one?

 

[thechief]

Quote: posted by craigGSI on 19/03/2005 17:25:09

you win some you loose some

we could also argue that this time the GSI driver wasnt trying []

and bare in mind the R32 was standard in the first race and all i had was a BMC and de-cat pipe

my car was rolling roaded two weeks later at 213bhp in a car that weighs alot less than a 230bhp golf

so them sitting side by side wasnt that a suprise TBH

isnt it also funny that a member on this site with a re-maped anni turbo couldnt pass one?

I know he was trying as he told me when he pulled into the car park [] Then he went on to tell me he was getting a bigger turbo etc haha.

So which member was that then? PD or 180?

 

[craigGSI]

not sure of his name mate as he isnt a regular user but i do know he was at the first uk mkiv meet me and marco were at

he had a 180

they guy i raced swore he was trying as well but some people i think are frightened to take a car to its limits at times

i still say he would have took me at higher speeds on the m-way but up to 70ish he was not gaining an inch buddy and i have no reason to lie about that

as i said before it is down to the individual driver, road type and even bottle when racing

 

[thechief]

Craig as you had one before what rpm does the turbo lose efficiency at?

The guy with the GSi told me it was only good up till about 4k rpm and that was why he was changing the turbo and manifold etc.

 

[craigGSI]

Quote: posted by thechief on 19/03/2005 20:56:47

Craig as you had one before what rpm does the turbo lose efficiency at?

The guy with the GSi told me it was only good up till about 4k rpm and that was why he was changing the turbo and manifold etc.

no way mine pulled right up to 5.5k at least

he may have a boost problem

i know that the clips on the boost hoses are well known for not holding well from the factory

also they are known for faulty actuators

tell him to check all hoses and connetions as this may be where the performance loss has went []

i just noticed your from scotland, you sure it aint my old one he bought as it had a boost problem towards the end when i traded it in

 

[evilhomer]

Let me get this straight... are we talking modified or standard Astra GSI to R32? If its standard then no bleedin way!! I took a run in demo GSI out about a year ago, and although quick, definitely not a patch on even my 4mo, let alone the R. running silly boost and remap maybe, but no way standard. The 0-60's are fairly similar but even on paper the figures always show the Astra to be slower. half a second in most cases than the R32.

 

[craigGSI]

Quote: posted by evilhomer on 20/03/2005 02:53:39

Let me get this straight... are we talking modified or standard Astra GSI to R32? If its standard then no bleedin way!! I took a run in demo GSI out about a year ago, and although quick, definitely not a patch on even my 4mo, let alone the R. running silly boost and remap maybe, but no way standard. The 0-60's are fairly similar but even on paper the figures always show the Astra to be slower. half a second in most cases than the R32.

yes we are talking a no re-maped GSI

it did have a BMC and de-cat pipe and was rinning 213bhp

cars may well "feel" slower due to torque ect but remember power to weight plays a vital part in it

as i said before i have no reason to lie about what happened that night and i spoke to the guy who was driving the R and he claims to have been going for it as well

there is no point in me siting here going over what i said before and i only with i had a vid camera that night

i ask you this though, would a civic type-r keep up with the R ?

 

[evilhomer]

Quote: posted by craigGSI on 20/03/2005 13:35:31

Quote: posted by evilhomer on 20/03/2005 02:53:39

Let me get this straight... are we talking modified or standard Astra GSI to R32? If its standard then no bleedin way!! I took a run in demo GSI out about a year ago, and although quick, definitely not a patch on even my 4mo, let alone the R. running silly boost and remap maybe, but no way standard. The 0-60's are fairly similar but even on paper the figures always show the Astra to be slower. half a second in most cases than the R32.

yes we are talking a no re-maped GSI

it did have a BMC and de-cat pipe and was rinning 213bhp

cars may well "feel" slower due to torque ect but remember power to weight plays a vital part in it

as i said before i have no reason to lie about what happened that night and i spoke to the guy who was driving the R and he claims to have been going for it as well

there is no point in me siting here going over what i said before and i only with i had a vid camera that night

i ask you this though, would a civic type-r keep up with the R ?

I have driven all three cars... The CTR is a quick feeling car, expecially when that V-TEC kicks in. Not much grunt early revs... hmm different drive. Id say that the CTR was closer than the Astra, but still overall the R would be quicker. (Basing all these thoughts on the stock cars.)

I dont know what was wrong with that R that day, or what yours was running like, but I am 100% certain that a standard R32 over a standard Astra gsi would win every time. (Driver based of course)

 

[craigGSI]

well my astra was slightly gaining on a stock CTR a few nights after the runin with the R32 so that may give you an idea of how it performed

i have alsways said that 80mph + the R32 would start to gain but seen as i didnt get past that speed i doubt i would never know

 

[Chris]

Never had any experience with a GSI, so cant comment on that. But i think a Type-R and an R32 would be bloody close. Yes, the CTR is down by 40bhp, but its also something like 250kg lighter!!

 

[craigGSI]

Quote: posted by Chris on 20/03/2005 18:57:57

Never had any experience with a GSI, so cant comment on that. But i think a Type-R and an R32 would be bloody close. Yes, the CTR is down by 40bhp, but its also something like 250kg lighter!!

and thats my point

if i could sit side by side with an R32 and slightly get the edge over a type-r doesnt this sugest that the R was running fine that night?

 

[sutherlandm]

I reckon a CTR and a GSI are both very close to an R.

Both have a big weight advantage and very similar power/weight ratios.

Just lower on torque and AWD grip (plus the sound, seats, interior, etc, etc).

 

[thechief]

I had a shot of a CTR last night with full exhaust, induction kit, kpro ecu(vtec set to 5200rpm) and manifold and the owner agreed my car was quicker.

 

[craigGSI]

Quote: posted by thechief on 21/03/2005 10:30:32

I had a shot of a CTR last night with full exhaust, induction kit, kpro ecu(vtec set to 5200rpm) and manifold and the owner agreed my car was quicker.

what car do you have and what is it running?

i assumed it was an R32 but your sig says 1.8 T

 

[thechief]

Quote: posted by craigGSI on 21/03/2005 10:39:26

Quote: posted by thechief on 21/03/2005 10:30:32

I had a shot of a CTR last night with full exhaust, induction kit, kpro ecu(vtec set to 5200rpm) and manifold and the owner agreed my car was quicker.

what car do you have and what is it running?

i assumed it was an R32 but your sig says 1.8 T

Nah mate it is a 1.8t i have.I just made the assumption they'd be similar as most people say a chipped 1.8t is similar to an R32 in terms of speed.I have a 3' downpipe/100cel sports cat,2.5' catback, carbonio, jabba chip and forge smic. It is around 220bhp.

 

[turbo_gti]

I whooped an astra GSI at santa pod that was "aparrently 230 bhp" mine was running 220+ bhp.

Ive also had a play with an standard R too, trust me he was trying. He wound down his window at 70 and asked me what the hell id done it it to make it that quick. I was all over his tail like a rash till we hit silly speeds of over 125 (on the private road of M5 @ 2.30am)

So standard astra gsi V standard r = R wins

I agree they are quick,

 

[geo_nr1]

When I had my GTI Anni up at Crail (No mods) I was getting similar, if not better times than a CTR, and now I have the R32, I have knocked about 1 to 1.5 seconds of a 1/4 mile time. I agree that both the GSI and CTR are fast cars, but would much rather have the R32 and despite the handling by these 2 cars, I think the 4Motion is a real advantage despite Lotus or whoever having an influence on suspension design.