[Doc]

Hello All,

Want to hear from anyone who can give me their experience of the stage 3 AmD mod (i.e. the one with the fancy cams)[?]. At this level of modification you will have already had the miltek exhaust and remap if you have proceeded through the various stages sequentially or simply went for the stage 3 mod from the outset.

Key areas I want to benefit from your actual experience are:

- the every day driveability of the car in traffic etc as a comparison to car prior to mods

- power delivery arcoss the range

- the most noticeable areas of improvement vs any limitations.

Cheers[^]

 

[Tim Sims]

Mick had it done didnt he.... he's sold the car now mind, but is the guy to ask. About 300 horses innit! Nice!!!

 

[Royster]

I don't think it's all that after speaking to a few.. There is no increase in torque either only it carries it further up the rev range hence the 300bhp.

I thought about getting it done but I would re-dyno my car and prob get a S-charger

 

[RS2002]

Not bashing, but didn't Tabs APR'd R32 beat it?

 

[Royster]

That's what I thought but didn't want to be the one to point it out...

 

[Doc]

Quote: posted by Tim Sims on 26/09/2004 20:01:06

Mick had it done didnt he.... he's sold the car now mind, but is the guy to ask. About 300 horses innit! Nice!!!

.....and he is? who?...for us newbies to the forum[?]

 

[Doc]

Quote: posted by RS2002 on 26/09/2004 20:41:49

Not bashing, but didn't Tabs APR'd R32 beat it?

Yes I keep hearing this but when I look at the thread relating to this topic, the car in question was somewhat poorly[?] not that I was present[] BUT could you explain what you actually mean as it relates to the performance of the car/mod

....and I would like to know the specifics of Tabs' mods as no one not even Tabs is willing to divulge or know the full extent of his modifications?

....but getting back on topic, as all of the above is quite frankly of no objective use in knowing what the mod in question (AmD stage 3) is actually like[)]

Anyone else[]

 

[Doc]

Quote: posted by Royster on 26/09/2004 20:13:00

There is no increase in torque either only it carries it further up the rev range hence the 300bhp.

Are you sure?.....

...and do you mean that the added power delivery simply arrives higher in the rev range or that the whole power curve is shifted up the rev range?

 

[Gti Fly]

MikVW used to own the very first stage3 r32.

he sold it on quite sometime ago though.

He writes for either Peformance VW or the Golf (magazine) apologies Mik

 

[PJ52GLY]

peformance vw had some doing vw driver too

 

[Royster]

Quote: posted by Doc on 26/09/2004 21:31:57

Quote: posted by Royster on 26/09/2004 20:13:00

There is no increase in torque either only it carries it further up the rev range hence the 300bhp.

Are you sure?.....

...and do you mean that the added power delivery simply arrives higher in the rev range or that the whole power curve is shifted up the rev range?

Quite sure, I don't mean any of your suggestions but mearly they stretch the available torque further up the rev range. Sorry if it is confusing[]

....but getting back on topic, as all of the above is quite frankly of no objective use in knowing what the mod in question (AmD stage 3) is actually like

Simply because only a few people have it....[8]

 

[Doc]

Quote: posted by Royster on 26/09/2004 21:45:30

Quote: posted by Doc on 26/09/2004 21:31:57

Quote: posted by Royster on 26/09/2004 20:13:00

There is no increase in torque either only it carries it further up the rev range hence the 300bhp.

Are you sure?.....

...and do you mean that the added power delivery simply arrives higher in the rev range or that the whole power curve is shifted up the rev range?

Quite sure, I don't mean any of your suggestions but mearly they stretch the available torque further up the rev range. Sorry if it is confusing[]

Thanks that clarifies it.[]

....but getting back on topic, as all of the above is quite frankly of no objective use in knowing what the mod in question (AmD stage 3) is actually like

Simply because only a few people have it....[8]

Now that's worth knowing...and I assume you mean as a proportion of those R32 owners on the forum[?]

Thanks for the input...keep it coming[]

 

[The Walrus]

Doc you should try tyresmoke with this question as I think some peeps have had it done that don?t seem to come here ?

Also as Royster has already pointed out it, the way these cams work is not that effective in the real world due to where the power is created, unsurprising I know that I have not embellished AMD work but wadda ya expect.

 

[Doc]

Quote: posted by The Walrus on 27/09/2004 09:09:46

Doc you should try tyresmoke with this question as I think some peeps have had it done that don?t seem to come here ?

Also as Royster has already pointed out it, the way these cams work is not that effective in the real world due to where the power is created, unsurprising I know that I have not embellished AMD work but wadda ya expect.

Oki Doki,was thinking of Tyresmoke too. Ta[^]

 

[EddyH]

I remember an Article by Mick in PVW and he sounded disspointed with the performance and was scpetical that his car actually had 300bhp. At that time he was considering going back to a 1.8T.

 

[Tabs]

Mods at the time of the PVW shoot were as follows:

APR 98 program

Full MIlltek

Bottle of Millers octane booster for good luck.

AMD car had Milltek (cat back) and Cams. Guy had a Dyno claiming to have 300bhp...

I passed him at 140mph - go figure.

I would love to see an independent dyno of the 300 conversion, I really would.

Save your money Doc and buy some Toluene and Millers, far better results []

 

[Doc]

Well I was wondering how much goading would finally bring you out of the closet[]

I am not really interested in the power figure claims more the delivery on the road hence the reason for starting the thread. IF the conversion were to deliver the goods, then its not much money if the incremental difference was anything like a remap does for the R32.[]

Anyhow without "real life" validation rather than a RR then I'll actually go the route you mentioned or I could simply try an APR remap instead[][]

Have you sold your car yet[?] or was I hearing things[?]

 

[Tabs]

lol I've divulged my mods here and there....

I driven two AmD 300 cars Doc (Mick and John's) and both didn't equate to much on the road, which is one of the reaons why I went with APR. Yes theres a slight pickup after 5500rpm but thats it... It's certainly not the 'bang for your buck' that the standard remap is (APR anyway [])

Yes the cars going up for sale, probably next week. She'll be stripped of her mods unless someone wants to take the car as a package offa' me.

 

[ianb]

This is the first time I've ever heard of a 30bhp increase by just a cams change.............i.e their stage 2 conversion ( 270 increasing to 300bhp)

They've got to be kidding on a normally aspirated car.....5-10 bhp if you are lucky.

I have always been sus of Amd's figures.....but that's business for you....to take your money.

My Schrick cams in my Track/race car never ever produced anywhere near that hyke in power

Ian

 

[Royster]

I believe they increase the output(map) of the R to get those figures; which you could probably do anyway without the cams! Hence why Tabs' R stripped the kak out of the AmD300! Good one Tabs!

This is my opinion and might not be based on fact.. mostly gained by talking to AmD