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Am i being a bit thick here, but what sort of a question is that? Why would you badge a diesel as a petrol?? I know a lot of people badge diesels as GTTDI's, but not GTI's.
Surely the TDI would be the best and most obvious choice on a diesel! GTI means petrol, TDI means diesel![:$]
The GTI badges should stay on the 1.8 and 2.0 models where they belong! [:|]
Surely the TDI would be the best and most obvious choice on a diesel! GTI means petrol, TDI means diesel![:$]
The GTI badges should stay on the 1.8 and 2.0 models where they belong! [:|]
Get ready for the abuse mate!
In the UK, ALL 150PDs are badged GTI (red I), that was VW UKs choice over the all red TDI.
To be fair, the TDI in terms of performance is more worth of the GTI badge than the 150 petrol.... i only lasted 10 months with my GTI cos it was so painfully poor in almost every area apart from comfort.
In my opinion, the 150 1.8T should have merely been badged a GT or something similar, with the GTI badging saved for the 180 1.8T, and the 150pd badged as GT-TDI from the factory.
In the UK, ALL 150PDs are badged GTI (red I), that was VW UKs choice over the all red TDI.
To be fair, the TDI in terms of performance is more worth of the GTI badge than the 150 petrol.... i only lasted 10 months with my GTI cos it was so painfully poor in almost every area apart from comfort.
In my opinion, the 150 1.8T should have merely been badged a GT or something similar, with the GTI badging saved for the 180 1.8T, and the 150pd badged as GT-TDI from the factory.
Hmm, that's strange, i've never seen ANY diesel badged as a GTI! [:O]
Secondly, i disagree with the next statement about diesels being more worthy of a GTI badge THAN a GTI! [:|] How can anyone consider a diesel to be better performing than a petrol, now okay they have more torque (which is a big plus i suppose) and as far as diesels go, they have come along way from the black smoky things they used to be and not that far behind petrol cars in terms of performance, but petrol will always be the better performer. Period!
But still, i'd sooner stick with my good ol' 1.8T than ANY diesel you could ever offer me! You say you only lasted 10 months with yours because it was a bad all rounder, yet i haven't had ONE single problem go wrong with mine yet (touch wood) since i've had it! [H]
Finally, i think it's unfair to say that the 1.8T 150bhp should only be badged as a GT. Ok the 180 is superior to it, but that doesn't make the 150 inferior does it?
Still, like you i'm only voicing MY opinion, and i hope it doesn't cause offence! [
][]Not at all mate, its a public forum after all!
My massive gripes with the 1.8T GTI i had was its total and utter lack of any real oomph, the uninspiring wallowy suspension setup, the poor fading brakes, and its rather bland appearance. The 'bad all rounder' comment wasn't aimed at the car's reliability, which must be praised as it never cost me a penny in my ownership, but more with its lack of enjoyment that you associate with the GTI badge.
I think you may be suprised with the TDI's..... the 130PD is a good match for the 150 1.8T, you really really need to work the 1.8T to get any sort of advantage. It's lack of lower end power hurts it in slower corners as well. The 150PD will realistically hurt a petrol 150 all over the rev range.....i've been against a couple when i had the Golf and i was having to wring the neck of the Golf to keep a steady distance from it.
I suppose its a bit of an unfair comparison with my GTI, as ive sorta changed brand, but im totally happy with my Cupra. The extra 30ish bhp doesnt sound like a great deal, but it transforms the engine totally... the suspension is much much better, it has the 312mm brakes, and as a package is much better than the outgoing GTI i feel.
My massive gripes with the 1.8T GTI i had was its total and utter lack of any real oomph, the uninspiring wallowy suspension setup, the poor fading brakes, and its rather bland appearance. The 'bad all rounder' comment wasn't aimed at the car's reliability, which must be praised as it never cost me a penny in my ownership, but more with its lack of enjoyment that you associate with the GTI badge.
I think you may be suprised with the TDI's..... the 130PD is a good match for the 150 1.8T, you really really need to work the 1.8T to get any sort of advantage. It's lack of lower end power hurts it in slower corners as well. The 150PD will realistically hurt a petrol 150 all over the rev range.....i've been against a couple when i had the Golf and i was having to wring the neck of the Golf to keep a steady distance from it.
I suppose its a bit of an unfair comparison with my GTI, as ive sorta changed brand, but im totally happy with my Cupra. The extra 30ish bhp doesnt sound like a great deal, but it transforms the engine totally... the suspension is much much better, it has the 312mm brakes, and as a package is much better than the outgoing GTI i feel.
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Sorry mate, but thats the sort of reply that makes you sound ignorant[:S]Hmm, that's strange, i've never seen ANY diesel badged as a GTI! [:O]
Secondly, i disagree with the next statement about diesels being more worthy of a GTI badge THAN a GTI! [:|] How can anyone consider a diesel to be better performing than a petrol, now okay they have more torque (which is a big plus i suppose) and as far as diesels go, they have come along way from the black smoky things they used to be and not that far behind petrol cars in terms of performance, but petrol will always be the better performer. Period!
But still, i'd sooner stick with my good ol' 1.8T than ANY diesel you could ever offer me! You say you only lasted 10 months with yours because it was a bad all rounder, yet i haven't had ONE single problem go wrong with mine yet (touch wood) since i've had it! [H]
Finally, i think it's unfair to say that the 1.8T 150bhp should only be badged as a GT. Ok the 180 is superior to it, but that doesn't make the 150 inferior does it?
Still, like you i'm only voicing MY opinion, and i hope it doesn't cause offence! [
Opinions are of course what the forum is all about and it would be crap if we all agreed but to say petrol is the best performer period and that no diesel can be better performing than a petrol makes it glaringly obvious that you have never been in a PD150, or indeed a 130.
Some people don't like the power delivery of a diesel and so would never have one, but if even Chris can admit that a 150PD is better performing than his old 1.8T then there must be something in it![
]Oh, and yes, as Chris says, the 150PD IS a GTI (not a GT TDI), I've got the brochure to prove it. And how do you know all the cars you've seen badged as GTI have been petrol?[
]Next time you see one, check if it has a 4-mo style front valance. If it does it's an oil burner.
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Good to see the old petrol vs diesel debate alive and well! I suspect a lot of the 'diesel sucks' brigade have never driven a modern diesel.
All this tosh about diesels not being worthy of a GTI badge. What kind of an unsupported statement is that?!!
If people want to stick with petrols fine, nothing wrong with them, but at least properly evaluate the alternatives before producing sweeping statements.
All this tosh about diesels not being worthy of a GTI badge. What kind of an unsupported statement is that?!!
If people want to stick with petrols fine, nothing wrong with them, but at least properly evaluate the alternatives before producing sweeping statements.
When I collected mine from the dealer I walked right by it, because it said GTI on the rear, I thought "why does it say that, its a TDI "
A day or so later I changed it to "TDI", & that was just over 2years ago.
Check it out, looks much better IMO, having an all RED badge on a Black car, Im gona a put an anni GTI badge on the mk5 ( if my plan comes together), as thats gona be Black too
Thats my 2p [:#]
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A day or so later I changed it to "TDI", & that was just over 2years ago.
Check it out, looks much better IMO, having an all RED badge on a Black car, Im gona a put an anni GTI badge on the mk5 ( if my plan comes together), as thats gona be Black too
Thats my 2p [:#]
I think VW got it all wrong to start with, as the lesser Diesel models are badged TDI, with various colour letters, for me the TDI 130 & 150 are full GTIs
I have a GT TDI 130 and I have rebaged the rear to GT red I as the car is totally a GTI.
It is the GTI trim and as for performance, it drove much better , was more responsive and punchy than when I drove the GTI (150 petrol). This was a back to back comparison on the same day and on the same route. I also drove the GTI 150 (Diesel) on the same day and that was a scorcher ![]
IMO leave the funny coloured letters for the Bora,....[:O]
(he takes a deep breath and awaits the Booted brigade back lash )!!!![]
Only kidding, the PD 150 I drove that day was a Bora and if it wasn't for the small child and the requirement of having to fit in a pram , I would of bought it!
I have a GT TDI 130 and I have rebaged the rear to GT red I as the car is totally a GTI.
It is the GTI trim and as for performance, it drove much better , was more responsive and punchy than when I drove the GTI (150 petrol). This was a back to back comparison on the same day and on the same route. I also drove the GTI 150 (Diesel) on the same day and that was a scorcher ![
]IMO leave the funny coloured letters for the Bora,....[:O]
(he takes a deep breath and awaits the Booted brigade back lash )!!!![
]Only kidding, the PD 150 I drove that day was a Bora and if it wasn't for the small child and the requirement of having to fit in a pram , I would of bought it!
I agree VW United Kingdom ballsed up completely with the badging on the Golf 4. The issue for me was with the following models.
TDI PD 100 - Should have continued the all silver theme from the 90 model thereby avoiding confusion with GT TDI 110.
GT TDI 150 - Should have been [red]TDI[/red] from the factory.
GT 1.8/2.0 - Should have been GT or Driver as previous less power and cheaper insurance models have been.
The use of colour in the badging is clear and discrete. If you know what the colours mean, you know what you're looking at. It also eliminates the need for messy GT TDI or GTDI badges you sometimes see.
TDI PD 100 - Should have continued the all silver theme from the 90 model thereby avoiding confusion with GT TDI 110.
GT TDI 150 - Should have been [red]TDI[/red] from the factory.
GT 1.8/2.0 - Should have been GT or Driver as previous less power and cheaper insurance models have been.
The use of colour in the badging is clear and discrete. If you know what the colours mean, you know what you're looking at. It also eliminates the need for messy GT TDI or GTDI badges you sometimes see.
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Mine came as a 150pd label GTi. but personally I don't like the
badging so took them all off, makes polishing much much easier.
Also seems to avoid the thieving scum coz they're not aware of what it
is.
It's also good fun when other people find out its not actually normal !
badging so took them all off, makes polishing much much easier.
Also seems to avoid the thieving scum coz they're not aware of what it
is.
It's also good fun when other people find out its not actually normal !
I've taken the GTi badge off the back of my mk2 valver and replaced it with the TDi badge (following the PD conversion) because I want those left behind me to know it was a diesel that passed them not a smokey old GTi.
Petrol v diesel argument can go on for ages. I tend to think it all depends on your driving style. Diesel provides effortless torque for overtaking or motorway speeds (ie more daily driving) whereas petrol is more rpm happy. If I had a stripped out weekend racer I would have it with a tuned valver and not a diesel or 20vt.
Only way to settle the dispute is on the black stuff. MKIV pod meet/Bruntingthorpe...petrol v diesel?
Petrol v diesel argument can go on for ages. I tend to think it all depends on your driving style. Diesel provides effortless torque for overtaking or motorway speeds (ie more daily driving) whereas petrol is more rpm happy. If I had a stripped out weekend racer I would have it with a tuned valver and not a diesel or 20vt.
Only way to settle the dispute is on the black stuff. MKIV pod meet/Bruntingthorpe...petrol v diesel?
You are indeed right, i have never been in a diesel MK4 and i apologise for sounding ignorant aswell! [:$]Sorry mate, but thats the sort of reply that makes you sound ignorant[:S]
Opinions are of course what the forum is all about and it would be crap if we all agreed but to say petrol is the best performer period and that no diesel can be better performing than a petrol makes it glaringly obvious that you have never been in a PD150, or indeed a 130.
Some people don't like the power delivery of a diesel and so would never have one, but if even Chris can admit that a 150PD is better performing than his old 1.8T then there must be something in it
