[Jacey Boy]

I have a 99/T 1.8T MK4 with 210 Jabba and 18" RS4 alloys, the guy who I bought it off had Pi Springs with standard shocks and the ride is so bouncy, will changing to Eiback Springs sort this or will I have to go for shocks as well?

Cheers[:S]

 

[smithjoe]

Eibach will defo make it a better ride, but you may still need new shocks as standard shocks dont last as long with lowering springs.

 

[Jacey Boy]

Hmmm, how long are we looking at these shocks lasting?

 

[Caged]

probably already dead if it's bouncy..

 

[MattyV5]

If you do replace them, can I have your Pi rear springs off you please ?

Matt

 

[Richard W]

Springs are bouncy - it's what they do.

Doesn't mean they're cr*p. Shocker absorbers are sometime known as dampers and it's them that 'tie down' the body. so if you've got aftermarket springs with std shocks and it's bouncy then the shocks are knackered and need replacing not the springs.
Only change the springs if you're convinced you need new ones.

 

[Jacey Boy]

Interesting, so really the way forward would be new eibach shocks and spring kit?

 

[shane]

Interesting, so really the way forward would be new eibach shocks and spring kit?

Or get some bilstein B4 oem replacements with an eibach spring kit

 

[Richard W]

I still ask, why do you want to change the springs?

As Shane says go for some Bilstein B4s, then the Pi springs will be properly controlled and the bouncy feeling should stop. Dampers are the key to any suspension set-up, changing springs for more springs won't cure anything. With knackered dampers you will feel that the springs are too soft, because of the bouncy feeling already mentioned. That's not to say that Eibachs aren't any good - I just don't see the need to spend money when you've already got some lowered springs.....

 

[Jacey Boy]

I can see in no way that the shocks are knackered, I had it serviced yesterday and the mecanic checked them and found no bounce, so it must be the crap PI springs[:^)]

 

[shane]

I can see in no way that the shocks are
knackered, I had it serviced yesterday and the mecanic checked them and
found no bounce, so it must be the crap PI springs[:^)]

When I had my billies, eibach springs and neuspeed arb fitted my
mechanic was suprised to find the rear shocks were knackered. When he
compressed them they would remain compressed and did not rebound. He
said he though the back end felt a bit twitchy when he drove it but it
wasn't until he drive the car after fitting the new shocks/springs that
he was able to appreciate the difference. And this guy really knows his
stuff - as a qualified VAG mechanic who has run a succession of high
performance VAG cars (TT, S3 and now a 2.0T quattro sportback).

Bear in mind also that the
Golf has gas shocks so there won't be any oil leaks to indicate
knackered shocks either.

Personally I think if the ride is bouncy then the shocks are the problem -

 

[Jacey Boy]

Thanks for the replies[]

I am gona take the car down to the performance place on Saturday and take the guy out in it and see what he thinks, maybe a Eiback shock and spring kit is the way forward[*]

 

[GTI-ED]

hi whats the ride like on your b4's and eibach? i am thinking of getting this setup but don't want to lose a lot of comfort from  the ride as i have a young baby to chaufer about. where did you get your b4's from and how much are they approx?

 

[Richard W]

I can't think of any other way to say this - springs are supposed to bounce! Dampers are supposed to control that bounce, if the car is bouncy or wallowy then the dampers aren't doing their job.

The std shocks on a GTi are poor at best but if the car has been fitted with lowered springs they WILL be sh*gged. If you've got some uprated and lowered springs then change the dampers first. If you want a stiff hard ride then get stiff dampers, 'cos if you get stiffer springs and still don't change the dampers then the main fault will still be there and you'll have a car that crashes AND wallows.

If you want to change the springs to change the ride height then fine, but don't change them 'cos they're bouncy - it's what they're supposed to do. I've worked on various competition cars including tarmac and gravel rally cars and off-road racers so I do speak from experience.
As I've said there's absolutely nothing wrong with Eibach springs, after all I've got some[] but the dampers are the key point in the suspension. I know Pi haven't got the same car park appeal as Eibachs, but I'm sure that if they're fitted with some good dampers you'll really feel the difference. Even on a standard car if it's the only thing you change the dampers will give the biggest single improvement in ride and handling you can buy.

Sorry to sound like I'm preaching, but I've made these mistakes before and am just trying to save you some money.

 

[smithjoe]

I have the same st up as Shane, B4's and eibach and i cant rate them enough the ride quality has improved never mind got worse. Great buy.

 

[shane]

hi whats the ride like on your b4's and eibach? i
am thinking of getting this setup but don't want to lose a lot of
comfort from the ride as i have a young baby to chaufer about.
where did you get your b4's from and how much are they approx?

The ride is absolutely fine - not much different to stock. My original
rear dampers were knackered so for me the ride actually improved quite
a bit. I fitted a rear neuspeed arb which also stiffened up the rear.

I got the lot from Awesome who are a pleasure to deal with - it's nice
to get someone from a parts suppliers on the phone who actually knows
and cares about the advice they are giving you. The costs, including
VAT were as follows:

Bilstein B4's: 188

Eibach springs: 135.13

Neuspeed arb: 229.13

The handling is brilliant compared to stock, a lot more responsive, a
lot less body roll and no wallowing over crests and terrain changes.
The car just feels planted without feeling harsh.

Cheers

Shane

 

[Stevoraith]

?188 for four Bilstein B4's! That sounds pretty good!

Just been quoted ?300 by a local VW tuning specialist![:O]

 

[shane]

?188 for four Bilstein B4's! That sounds pretty good!

Just been quoted ?300 by a local VW tuning specialist![:O]

Just checked the invoice to confirm - ?188. All in it was ?211 delivered to Ireland.

 

[Jacey Boy]

?188 for four Bilstein B4's! That sounds pretty good!

Just been quoted ?300 by a local VW tuning specialist![:O]

Just checked the invoice to confirm - ?188. All in it was ?211 delivered to Ireland.

Who from?[:O]

 

[Richard W]

Glad your still happy Shane![]