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Am thinking about a Golf GT TDI 130/150 but was looking for a few things to compare it against. German/Jap fast torquey and cheap to run! Also what are the best upgrades to these cars besides a remap? Remap is the first mod on the cards but not sure where would be best in East Anglia (ish) area?
So many questions!

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Exhaust de-cat and then re-map is the best bet, the only Deisel I have been in that matches the 150 tdi is the Alfa JTD thats torquey too, also my mates A3 Convertible 2.5 tdi is quick but not like my golf quick......Peugeots HDI 136 BHP is pants my Dad has one, the TDCI ST in the Mondeo is pretty impressive but I think the Vag TDI's are the best
 

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I would add the 320d and 330d to that list. The 330d is probably the best diesel engine you can buy with the 320d running a close second next to the Honda 2.2 CDti. A std VW 150 can be a little laggy in comparison with the response of the 130 and the newer 140 is very good too.

The VW engines are very good, but also very peaky. Their torque delivery can be quite sharp, which means too that they get a little breathless at the top end. Not something you can say about the 330d....[:D]
 

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Well, I've had a GT TDi 130, a 320d sport Touring and tried a few other things and would say that the 130 was great engine, but power very much all or nothing. The 320d was more like driving a petrol car, with a much more progressive response and a longer power line. However, as a result it never seemed to have that wave of torque that the Golf had.

I handed back the keys to the BMW when the job that provided it "disappeared". Tried a few things to buy with my own money afterwards but ended up with an Alfa 156. The chassis is certainly not in same league as the BM, more like the Golf to be honest, and I suspect quality and reliability may be an issue long term. But, and its a big but, the car has a 5 cylinder 2.4 multi jet common rail diesel engine with 175bhp and a massive amount of torque (I can't remember exact figure). It sounds remarkably un diesel like to drive - actually sounds alot like the Audi 5s of the Quattro era. It is so driveable at low revs yet flies if you want to.

And its currently averaging over 40 mpg despite some spirited driving from Chesterfield to Accrington every day. Bought at 3 months old with 300 miles on the clock, it also cost less than an equiv Golf GT TDi....with dual climate, leather interior, parking sensors, metallic etc.

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The JTD maps to over 200bhp as well. The main thing that put me off even more than the perceived build and reliability problems was Alfa 'customer service' which is even worse than VW and that's saying something. Really nice good value cars though.

Best diesels I've driven are the higher output 3ltr BMW units, I found the 2000 3 series I drove with the 184bhp (I think that's the number) just too slow with its auto box, plus the steering was awful compared to later cars. The later 330D coupe I tried was much better, must be awesome mapped.
 

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I think you've all gone off the path here, how can you compair a 330d with a PD130/150, its a 3ltr engine, so its bound to be better, is it not [:S]

In the sub 2.0 area I dont think you can really beat the VAG group, look at the Ford/Jag dervs, 135bhp FFS !

Get a PD 130/150, pop down to Jabba in Peterbrough for your remap ( -10% off the RR #'S) & you'll have a cracking motor pushing out 185-190bhp, with oddles of torque too.

http://www.jabbasport.com/
 

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A Ford TDCI on overboost is a fair match for a PD130 (both unmapped).

A reason for comparing the 3ltr BMW units is cost, even though I decried the 184bhp 3ltr it's miles better than a PD150 and can be bought for similar money on the used market. Looked how cheap 530D's are these days, streets ahead of any MKIV IMHO except maybe an R32.
 

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In the sub 2.0 area I dont think you can really beat the VAG group, look at the Ford/Jag dervs, 135bhp FFS !
'06 Golf TDi - 140bhp

'06 BMW 120d - 163bhp.......[;)] a smooth engine with very linear power delivery. I haven't driven a 140 Golf yet so can't compare from personal experience, but the new 170bhp GTD is going to have to be very special to turn my attention.
 

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I think its easy to get carried away - but i stand by my earlier comments. The Alfa was a direct cost comparison for a Golf of equivalent age - cheaper as you look older but the 20v Mjet hasn't been around too long.

Sammy, I never had any issues with VW service, it was BMW that I did't rate for service! I'm not confident about Alfa but I'm sure I can persuade them to improve if necessary. And my brother is Service Manager at an independent who specialise in nearly new highish value stuff so I'm sure he can help if necessary!

I tried pretty much everything else with a diesel in the price bracket - you just have to don't you? The D5 volvo impressed, but the car was just a bit too much money for me. I also looked at the 3.0 diesel in Saab 9-5 and Vectra - OK but not special. My wife runs (I accidentally typed ruins first time - what was I thinking?!) a Mazda 5 MPV thing with 2.0 diesel producing 140bhp - that is a good refined engine, strong and smooth. Available in 6 hatch too - and relatively cheap.
 

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A Ford TDCI on overboost is a fair match for a PD130 (both unmapped).
As you would, theres only a few BHP between the 2

A reason for comparing the 3ltr BMW units is cost, even though I decried the 184bhp 3ltr it's miles better than a PD150 and can be bought for similar money on the used market. Looked how cheap 530D's are these days, streets ahead of any MKIV IMHO except maybe an R32.
Isnt the BMW a SIX cylinder engine ??

With 231bhp & 369lb torque of course its going destroy a PD150, remaped or not, & even possibly the R32 at the same time, as the 330d has similar BHP & over 100lb of torque more [:O]
 

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I presume it is - but haven't checked.

Its all down to your local dealer - mine was a local independent (always my preferred option!) but has since become part of a bigger chain, a fate that befell the BMW dealer too. Alfa is a multi franchise dealership with only one service centre - they had better not try to offer me a Citroen c1 or Kia Picanto as my courtesy car.....
 

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If buying new, wait a few months for the new Seat Leon/Golf V GT TDI 170..

If buying 2nd hand, any of the following are excellent...

  • Seat Leon Cupra TDI 150
  • Seat Ibiza Cupra TDI 160
  • Skoda Fabia vRS
  • Seat Ibiza TDI 130
  • BMW 330d
  • BMW 320d
  • Ford Fiesta Zetec-S TDCI
  • Ford Focus TDCI
  • Golf V TDI 140
  • Audi A3 1.9 TDI Quattro (best option, but rare)
 

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In the sub 2.0 area I dont think you can really beat the VAG group, look at the Ford/Jag dervs, 135bhp FFS !
'06 Golf TDi - 140bhp

'06 BMW 120d - 163bhp.......[;)] a smooth engine with very linear power delivery. I haven't driven a 140 Golf yet so can't compare from personal experience, but the new 170bhp GTD is going to have to be very special to turn my attention.
But the 1 series beemer 120d is slower on the road than the 2.0Tdi Audi A3.

J.
 

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The audi does it in 7.8... according to Audi driver, don't forget that VAG are always very conervative with there performance figures and quote for a half laden car. Not sure what bm are like for thier figures...

Can't comment on the standing start but going up and down the M3 the Audi is quicker.

J.
 
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