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Been looking for a new car wqnted to buy a bmw 330ci auto but finding it hard to find a nice spec'd car with low milage.

Also test drove a mini ooper s works which was great fun. wondered what peoples opinions where?
 

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if it was me i would hold out for the bmw

have drove both , they are both a very nice car but it depends what ya want from a car

I would buy the bmw but then i do like the bigger cars the mini is very nice but to compact for me
 

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Id hold out for the Bmw , the right one will see you one day.

Its depends what you are after at the end of the day as they are two totally differant cars, i personally despise the new mini`s.

I heard raving stories that these supercharged mini`s were meant to be fast. ....They are not if a e46 323i can outrun one. To my knowledge the mini was in top working order also...Now i can see lots of useless stats being thrown up...

Too many common problems appearing on these mini`s, Flywheels cracking @ 20k ++, electric power steering motor constantly buzzing on. Front brake reactor bushes wearing. Every car has problems but these are highlighted more as they are a pain in ass/expensive to solve.

I see the mini as a phase, that you soon get bored of.

Anyway let us know what you decide to choose
 

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I read somewhere that the auto really saps the performance of a 330i, I would take a manual out for a drive too and see if your happy with an auto.

But I would choose the 330ci. I also know that the engine size down (328, 325?) uses the same amount of fuel as a 330.
 

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argh what do people like about the mini's they are disgusting

go for the bmw- will give you more respect than driving a mini (womens car)
 

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I see everyones points. I do prefer the bmw, but the mini does have an appeal to me due to the fun factor and beimg able to do the nurburg ring. Dont think the bmw specially in an auto is suitable for that kinda trip.
 

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The works is great car for a weekend blast, but not sure I would want to own one long term, boot way to small for me and I found it tyring on the motorway, more "B" roads than "M".

New MINI model coming out soon too, which will ditch the supercharger for a turbo, this will kick the price of old version too. The BMW would be just so much better as a every day car to drive imho.
 

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Also the new mini models will have british built engines [:S]

Dont think you`d enjoy a 330 manual as much. Cars like that its autospastic the way to go. Then again depends what you want it for, drifting? Smooth driving? Agressive? Let us know what you want out the car...more so.
 

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my mate has a 330Ci and is pretty quick - don't even consider a mini - even with a supercharger bolted to it. To me they are two very different cars and if you can handle the image then get a beemer as it is a good car,,,,,,
 

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330 Steptronic box is ok and vast majority are auto but I held out for a manual - infinitely better driving experience in my opinion. My Mum has a Mini Cooper and my sister a Mini One Convertible...very different propositions as you would expect and the BMW is in a completely different league. The Mini is a nippy little hatchback - well made, handles beautifully, and a real piece of design, but still a £12k hatchback. The Cooper S etc are just very high specced, 'ultimate' versions of the same basic package and I cannot get my head around £17k plus for one. It also gets very tiring over long distances IMO.

The 330 is a much more refined package. Powerful, smooth, comfortable, well made and eats the miles, comes with a whole host of excellent options, delivers 30MPG quite comfortably and best of all its a RWD BMW. No comparison in my book - buy a 330! BUT avoid SSG like the plague.

And as for the 'Ring...I know which car I would rather be driving out there and it ain't the Mini! Im suprised you would think a Mini would be more fun there?
 

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I would have neither, but if I had to choose, I would probably have to flip a coin. For that sort of dosh, some in between cars would be worth a look at the same sort of money which would be bigger, faster, better equipped etc etc etc.

A Mini JCW will be pretty much as quick as a 330Ci due to its lighter weight, and it has the added possibility of easier tuning with the Supercharger. Then again, the 330 has a sexy 6 cylinder engine. Both have great handling, but the 330 with rear drive will be potentially better fun for keen driving with oversteer etc. However this is let down by the problems rwd cars have in the snow/ice.

Decisions decisions!
 

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. However this is let down by the problems rwd cars have in the snow/ice.

Decisions decisions!
Shouldnt be a problem here with snow about 1 day a year, and we only get a few inches. Also ice, well thats not good in any car, traction control will help you a bit but then its up to you.

Lol, noones said this yet ...."go for a 330d"...and then remap it
 

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Well ultimately i want a fast but yet refined car! Im a single man now so i want something to impress the ladies with yet something i can have fun with at the same time.

Why is SSG to be avoided?

Does anyone have any other options to go for?

I prefered the auto driving experience in the bmw the manual seemed too much work!

Think the mini is now off the list!
 

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Well with those 2 cars one would assume your budget is minimum £15k. My money would go with any of the following before either the 330ci or the Mini; a New Leon Cupra, Focus ST, Forthcoming Honda Civic Type R, Golf 5 GTi, Honda S2000, Subaru Impreza STi, Mitsu Evo, an early current shape BMW M3, newest shape 3 series compact 325i, BMW 130i (if you don't mind ugly cars), A3 2.0T/3.2, Escort Cosworth (Old Skool [:p]). Probably a few more but can't think of them right now. There are loads of cars to consider.
 

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Why is SSG to be avoided?
Absolute junk - its not SMG, which is a manual box with software, its the Steptronic box with flappy paddles. I have driven one and it was horrible.

A) It doesn't work

B) Its jerky as hell

C) It saps performance

D) It devalues the car by £1500

Its a poor compromise between a manual and an Auto - if you don't want a Manual, buy the Steptronic Auto and you will be much happier!

early current shape BMW M3
Would you really choose a 130i, Focus, Leon or 325 Compact over a 330 Coupe? Different strokes for different folks I guess! But you would be clinically insane to consider an early E46 M3 for this price.

The cheapest 01 M3s are about £18k,will have been ragged to hell and back, big miles, shiny inside and well out of warranty. If the engine recall on pre 02 cars hasn't done (early cars had issues)...well start praying, a new engine is £12k. Extended warranty is £1050 a year plus £250 excess - more than a 911. Servicing is £450 for a minor service and £650 for a major (330 is £211 and £320 respecitvely). Insurance is double to triple that of a 330. Tracker is compulsory.

Now don't get me wrong, the M3 is STUNNING to drive (I love them) but as a an every day proposition...its in a completely different class to a 330. You get what you pay for, and I wouldn't touch a pre 03 M3 without a warranty with a barge pole. You need to spend £26-£32k to get a good M3. The 330 does 75% of what the M3 does for half the cost IMO - every time I drive an M3 and get back into mine it still feels plenty fast enough.
 

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To be honest, I certainly would have the new Leon Cupra, new Focus ST or forthcoming Civic Type R over the 330Ci coupe of the same value. Add the Subaru and Mitsubishi to that list too. Whilst being careful about what I am saying here in the knowledge of what you drive, I have to ask, what it is about BMW you feel makes it superior to the previous cars?

The way I see it, if you were to put any of the above cars on a track and/or a drag strip and the BMW will be near to last if not fully last. The interior is not a million miles better than any of the previous and neither are the dealers, running costs, residuals or customer satisfaction. It will not handle better than any of the previous cars day to day on the road nor will it be any more reliable. It might well be a good smooth cruiser, but so are the rest - it depends how fussy you are. I thought my Scooby was a great cruiser. Is driving a BMW really worth all the extra wedge they demand? I think not. People like the badge.

Now don't get me wrong I am not slagging them off and I certainly don't dislike the 3 series Coupe or BMW's - in fact I do very much like them. They are great cars and are very well engineered, but the only ones I would have would be the M3 M5 or M6.

In this case, I agree that you would be better to spend more dosh on a newer M3. Luckily the depreciation on the M3 is pretty high meaning they are becoming more affordable all the time. A quick look on autotrader shows what appears to be a few good ones in the sub £20k category. If you were careful where you went and what you did, there are bargains to be had. The thing is the M3 is the ultimate 3 series with more than 100bhp or 50% more power than the 330Ci. If performance is a must, you would choose the M3 every time over the 330Ci or a cheaper turbo'd car and tune it up. Yes it is more expensive to run and has potentially better bills, but if you want it for weekend use or do low mileage, then why not?!

The 130i and 325i Compact would not be on my list either, but the 130i would be quicker than the 330Ci due to being smaller and lighter and it has the advantage of being of a newer design and having 5 doors which might be useful. I recall the 325i Compact out handles the 330Ci Coupe (referring back to an old magazine comparison of BMW models). This might be a priority.

As you say, each to their own [:)]
 
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