Mk4 vs. Mk2?
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I had a nice MK2 did loads of work on it... Brian Rickets 1900 Fully balanced and lightened Audi block, AmD head, shrick cam and all the other trimmings set up by Jeff, rolled 140bhp went like poo of a greased shovel! performance wise it would eat a standard MK4 GTI until it ran out of legs at about 130... modded turbo which I now have is different gravy thou...
2 standard cars would be reasonably matched I would think with the wieght/performance differences.
2 standard cars would be reasonably matched I would think with the wieght/performance differences.
Quote: posted by VeeDubDan on 09/11/2004 13:15:26
My last car before my current 1.8T was a Mk2 16V. Performance wise the Mk4 has more get up and go, but my Mk2 was a hoot to drive as it had seriously modded suspension and brakes which made it like a roller skate!
My skating knowledge is slim, but I thought the brakes on a roller skate are crap, ie a little rubber stopper that you drag on the floor behind you?
My last car before my current 1.8T was a Mk2 16V. Performance wise the Mk4 has more get up and go, but my Mk2 was a hoot to drive as it had seriously modded suspension and brakes which made it like a roller skate!
My skating knowledge is slim, but I thought the brakes on a roller skate are crap, ie a little rubber stopper that you drag on the floor behind you?
Who gave you a funny license milkfloat??!! They should be shot!!! [
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only kiddin, I've had a mk2 8V gti, and got me 4motion now... have to say i've still got fond memories. It's difficult to compare the two because of the massive changes in construction.... Mk2 was light, and a lot of fun... mk4 is refined and comfortable, and still fun!!
Overall i obv prefer the new... but the old deffo has summit still goin for it... and even better when you bang a tuned up 18T or R32 lump in!!! [}]
]only kiddin, I've had a mk2 8V gti, and got me 4motion now... have to say i've still got fond memories. It's difficult to compare the two because of the massive changes in construction.... Mk2 was light, and a lot of fun... mk4 is refined and comfortable, and still fun!!
Overall i obv prefer the new... but the old deffo has summit still goin for it... and even better when you bang a tuned up 18T or R32 lump in!!! [}
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My last car before my golf gti 25 anni was a golf rallye, what a car loved it had jabba sport stage 3 supercharger different cam in it went very well, also sorted out the suspension with avo evo coil overs. With this car you could put it into a corner at speed and know you could go around it, with my anni it is not the same 1 it is not 4x4 and 2 it has traction control. I like back to basic`s, where you drive the car not the car drive you, the car b4 my anni was a lotus Elise s1 you could not get any more basic no mod cons, well it had a carpet and a radio, but that had to go as a baby was on the way. I am pleased with the anni it is just a different type of power. Sort of a grown up mk2
Best golf eve made IMO was the MK2. Bit more refined that the mk1, lots of things improved without losing the spirit of the original hot hatch.
Never liked the mk3, like the looks etc of the mk4, but they are totally different cars and markets IMO. The mk4 gti (t) was not hot hatch in standard form, and a good 8v gti would kill one. But, sort the spennys and chip it up a bit and the mk4 is a fine car. Different to a mk2 in every way though.
MK2s still rule though IMO.
Never liked the mk3, like the looks etc of the mk4, but they are totally different cars and markets IMO. The mk4 gti (t) was not hot hatch in standard form, and a good 8v gti would kill one. But, sort the spennys and chip it up a bit and the mk4 is a fine car. Different to a mk2 in every way though.
MK2s still rule though IMO.
Yeah i've had two mk2 's a 8v gti and a 16v gti, great cars, i liked the 8v best had a piper cam, induction kit etc on it went quite well! They handle much better then standard mk4's my brother has a mk2 16v and that thing go's round corners like on rails!! Always liked the 8v cause of the low down pull that's why i love the tdi loads of torque! [] Given the choice now i'd stick with the mk4. [^]
] Given the choice now i'd stick with the mk4. [^]Driving a mkII 8 valve GTI in its most basic form (early K-Jet injection) is nothing short of fantastic because you feel everything like the brakes, steering, throttle. The later Digifant injection is good too but just not as smooth to drive on the throttle. All 16v's had K-Jet injection and of course they go well in the higher rev band but this can make it a bit tiresome on a long cross country run (or is it my age!).
I now have a GT TDI (115PD) and find it quick and easy to accelerate and overtake lower in the rev range in each gear but I do feel the weight of the car and the chassis needs serious tweaking before you can enjoy the A-B roads.
If I could I'd have an early mkII GTI (8valve) for fun and keep my GT TDI for daily & long runs.
I now have a GT TDI (115PD) and find it quick and easy to accelerate and overtake lower in the rev range in each gear but I do feel the weight of the car and the chassis needs serious tweaking before you can enjoy the A-B roads.
If I could I'd have an early mkII GTI (8valve) for fun and keep my GT TDI for daily & long runs.
I've owned all apart from a mk3 and a g60, last was a tsr engined mk2 which was a good laugh, but not a patch on my newly built mk1 16v [^]
But it's always nice to get in the mkIV to have some torque, even more so in the winter with the aircon and heated seats[]
But it's always nice to get in the mkIV to have some torque, even more so in the winter with the aircon and heated seats[
]I owned a Mk2 GTI 8v from new for about 9 years before getting an also new Mk4 GTI 125, which I have now owned for 6 years. The Mk2 was unmodded and did not need anything: steering, handling and brakes were fantastic, making it a real driver's car [] - only had a heavy non-hydraulic steering. The only problem I ever had with it was the front door membranes that did break and let water in - pretty cheap to fix.
I was initially disappointed when the got the Mk4 which is much more refined but less of a driver's car. Even with Koni/Eibach it is nowhere near as chuckable as the Mk2 and the steering lets the car down: pretty lifeless. On the other hand, it is a better long distance travel proposition. But during those years it gave a number of problems: dash rattles (the Mk2 never had any), front off-side window falling in, rear washing tube leaking in the real pillar, rear washing tube coming off the wiper motor, boot opening handle broken, rear window heater not working and petrol pump failing. Not another VW for me after these annoying problems. [!]
I would love to have again a Mk2 as a second car, especially if it was in good condition, the first car being an Audi A4 estate (my next buy).
] - only had a heavy non-hydraulic steering. The only problem I ever had with it was the front door membranes that did break and let water in - pretty cheap to fix.I was initially disappointed when the got the Mk4 which is much more refined but less of a driver's car. Even with Koni/Eibach it is nowhere near as chuckable as the Mk2 and the steering lets the car down: pretty lifeless. On the other hand, it is a better long distance travel proposition. But during those years it gave a number of problems: dash rattles (the Mk2 never had any), front off-side window falling in, rear washing tube leaking in the real pillar, rear washing tube coming off the wiper motor, boot opening handle broken, rear window heater not working and petrol pump failing. Not another VW for me after these annoying problems. [
!]I would love to have again a Mk2 as a second car, especially if it was in good condition, the first car being an Audi A4 estate (my next buy).
I own both, a 4x4 VR6 Turbo Mk2 golf see pics at http://www.dutchdub.com/Projects.htm#Keith%20Risebrough%20MkII%20VR6%20Syncro%20Turbo
I also own a Mk4 Golf GTi Turbo, that is totally standard.
If I had to choose between the two, then I would choose my Mk2 every time...its got much more character and in the case of my Mk2 against most cars I come up against on the road it is a damn sight faster to! 370bhp and 380Lb/Ft torque in a Mk2 is good fun!!
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I also own a Mk4 Golf GTi Turbo, that is totally standard.
If I had to choose between the two, then I would choose my Mk2 every time...its got much more character and in the case of my Mk2 against most cars I come up against on the road it is a damn sight faster to! 370bhp and 380Lb/Ft torque in a Mk2 is good fun!!
I've owned 2x Mk2's and 1 Mk4.
The 2x Mk2's were 1 1.6 Driver, and 1 1.8 fairly heavily modified 1.8 8v GTI. The Mk4 is a V6 4Motion.
In terms of acceleration - the modded Mk2 8v GTI makes a complete, and utter, mess of tht V6. However, once you get up to about 90mph, the V6 will power ahead and completely destroy the Mk2 GTI.
Handling wise, the Mk2 GTI was streets ahead of the Mk4. The 'standard' suspension Mk2 Driver I had was a complete pig, as it didn't have PAS and was a total dog to park.
The 2x Mk2's were 1 1.6 Driver, and 1 1.8 fairly heavily modified 1.8 8v GTI. The Mk4 is a V6 4Motion.
In terms of acceleration - the modded Mk2 8v GTI makes a complete, and utter, mess of tht V6. However, once you get up to about 90mph, the V6 will power ahead and completely destroy the Mk2 GTI.
Handling wise, the Mk2 GTI was streets ahead of the Mk4. The 'standard' suspension Mk2 Driver I had was a complete pig, as it didn't have PAS and was a total dog to park.
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I had a MK2 Golf GTI 8V coilovers big brakes full saftey devices cage anti roll bars,on a bendy road it would waste any standard MK4 Golf that is a fact whatever model.
I loved my MK2 and would have another anytime,my mate's got one still he's got a S3 engine dta managment big brakes coilover cage but looks billy standard from the outside even down to 15 inch steelies,but with just over 290 bhp theres nothing round my way that can touch it not even 350 bhp subura's not even my other mates 300 bhp R32.
I think it all depends what you are after i wish now that i had bought a MK4 v6 4motion for everyday,and keep it standard and a mk2 like my friends with 290+ bhp for dry days in the garage.As this conversion is a pieace of wee wee never mind what the big company's tell you.
Some campany's wanted 10.000 to put the 225 lump in mine it cost me next to bugger all once i sold my standard engine,and it was very easy to fit and get sorted,and remember i'm a nurse not a mechanic.
Anyway what i am trying to say is in stanard form a mk2 golf is better then the mk4 golf for driving pleasure,but for class and build quailty the mk4 is very good and once you tune a mk4 up they go like the wind and i think the mk4 is a nice looking car even thou i did'nt say that when i had a mk2 golf i was'nt that keen on the mk4,both cars have there up's and down's but both are great car's in there own right weather they are standard or moddifed,i personally prefer modified because everything in life needs improveing.
cheers 4low.
I had a MK2 Golf GTI 8V coilovers big brakes full saftey devices cage anti roll bars,on a bendy road it would waste any standard MK4 Golf that is a fact whatever model.
I loved my MK2 and would have another anytime,my mate's got one still he's got a S3 engine dta managment big brakes coilover cage but looks billy standard from the outside even down to 15 inch steelies,but with just over 290 bhp theres nothing round my way that can touch it not even 350 bhp subura's not even my other mates 300 bhp R32.
I think it all depends what you are after i wish now that i had bought a MK4 v6 4motion for everyday,and keep it standard and a mk2 like my friends with 290+ bhp for dry days in the garage.As this conversion is a pieace of wee wee never mind what the big company's tell you.
Some campany's wanted 10.000 to put the 225 lump in mine it cost me next to bugger all once i sold my standard engine,and it was very easy to fit and get sorted,and remember i'm a nurse not a mechanic.
Anyway what i am trying to say is in stanard form a mk2 golf is better then the mk4 golf for driving pleasure,but for class and build quailty the mk4 is very good and once you tune a mk4 up they go like the wind and i think the mk4 is a nice looking car even thou i did'nt say that when i had a mk2 golf i was'nt that keen on the mk4,both cars have there up's and down's but both are great car's in there own right weather they are standard or moddifed,i personally prefer modified because everything in life needs improveing.
cheers 4low.
I've had both for the last 7 months or so. They are completely different beasties.
Around town, in traffic on a rainy day, the MK2 can suck. Heavy, noisy etc etc.
But oh my God, on a clear summer's day in the middle of Salisbury Plain or somewhere... what a car. I've got a stock 16v, which is right at home on fast open roads.
My TDI is fab for everyday, but the MK2 wins as a toy. PLUS the GTI 16v is the only Golf to ever be an EVO 5 Star car.
Around town, in traffic on a rainy day, the MK2 can suck. Heavy, noisy etc etc.
But oh my God, on a clear summer's day in the middle of Salisbury Plain or somewhere... what a car. I've got a stock 16v, which is right at home on fast open roads.
My TDI is fab for everyday, but the MK2 wins as a toy. PLUS the GTI 16v is the only Golf to ever be an EVO 5 Star car.
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I had an '86 GTI 8V for two years, and my Mum had it for 10 years before that.'
Bullet proof, nice handling (although, and this is controversial, the Saxo VTR I had afterwards handled better [:O]), good performance and quite practical. Downsides were average brakes, noise when cruising, terrible security (serious thief magnet) and nasty oil consumption.
Had 180k when I sold it and very little had gone wrong.
I genuinely preferred the mk3 16V I had afterwards (much better brakes, quicker, power steering, but handling not as good), but the R32 is still my favourite by a looooong way.
BTW - My Mum is selling her current mint silver '89 mk2 GTI 8V in North Cornwall if anyone is after one!
Bullet proof, nice handling (although, and this is controversial, the Saxo VTR I had afterwards handled better [:O]), good performance and quite practical. Downsides were average brakes, noise when cruising, terrible security (serious thief magnet) and nasty oil consumption.
Had 180k when I sold it and very little had gone wrong.
I genuinely preferred the mk3 16V I had afterwards (much better brakes, quicker, power steering, but handling not as good), but the R32 is still my favourite by a looooong way.
BTW - My Mum is selling her current mint silver '89 mk2 GTI 8V in North Cornwall if anyone is after one!
I had an '86 8V MKII for over 10 years, and it was still going strong at 17 years old with well over 200K miles, no attention to the engine at all. Time will tell if the MKIV will be as reliable. In terms of performance the MKII eats the MKIV 2.0 as you would expect. The MKIV is 300kg heavier with only slightly more power (that's like carrying four passengers aroud all the time). MKII had lower gear ratios as well. Power to weight ratio of a MKII 8V is similar to a 1.8T MKIV. MKIV much quieter though. MKII much easier to work on.
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