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It does look very tasty from some angles.
Certainly more modern and more daring of Honda! Good on them I
say.

Shame they have gone back to Torsion Beam rear suspension. Weird departure from wishbones on the current civic..
Type-R (and the RR, if you believe what you read) will have this sorted
out and may well be the best hatch ever imo. Lots of rumours
abound but anything from a 2.0 to a 2.4 i-vtec solution with some
seriously smart software will keep it gripping beyond the present batch
of GTIs and VXRs.

I'll keep mine till it blows then trade the baby for the next one i think!
 

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The new CTR(R) is gonna be intresting. It will
have a lot to do if it's gonna match the kudo's of the old(current) CTR!

Any new's on pricing? will it undercut a Gti
Look for 18 to 20 for the Type-R. I doubt an RR will be made but
that would be stripped out and just looney. It'll be better
priced than the GTI but the interior and dash in particular is just so
22nd century it's up to personal taste. For me i think it's cool
and as you say, a damn bold step by them. Swindon will be
building this one too so expect it to handle perfectly; just on the
deadly side of sane [;)]
 

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It does look very tasty from some angles. Certainly more modern and more daring of Honda! Good on them I say.

Shame they have gone back to Torsion Beam rear suspension. Weird departure from wishbones on the current civic..
Ditto - they used to have double wishbones all around, then multi-link at the rear and now just torsion beam. That said I do like Hondas and it does look nice.
 

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The current Astra has torsion beam at the rear and that is well acclaimed for its handling. I read somewhere that the designers of that system claimed it was the ideal way to suspend a hatchback, I've forgotten the details now, was just reading a magazine in a shop. Multi-link certainly does have many decisive advantages but is expensive, complex and engages more space.

It depends on a lot of other things as well, not least spring and damping rates, which is why MkIVs see such a huge improvement by just changing those components alone.

In any case you can build something that is inherently unstable and regulate it electronically, then the "feel" is determinted by the quality of software. Aircraft that almost fly themselves are inherently stable, whereas modern fighter planes for example are inherently unstable and would not be controllable without the electronics, but they are extremely agile.
 

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Peugeot GTi's have had torsion bars at the rear for years haven't they?
Although they're French, they do handle fanyastically well.
 

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I could be wrong but im sure the Megane 225 Trophy also uses a torsion beam setup.... i think it's just that VAG got it setup sooooo badly in the MK4 chassis thats put everyone off!

And as for that Civic... what a fab looking car!!
 

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I'd be interested to see what the prices on the 2.2 CDTI would be. I had a go in an Accord with that engine and its much better than the VW units.
 

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I'm not too keen on the plastic arches, but I would personally buy one just for the interior alone[H][H]

Can't wait to see the type-r version, then like you David - may have to swap old for new
 

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I don't like any of it. Call me old fashioned, but a traditional clean
and to the point German style interior is more than enough for me! That
looks like the bridge of the enterprise!!

And the exterior styling just isn't to my taste at all.
 

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Interesting styling but nothing wow about it. The dashboard shape
looks fussy, that nasty 'after thought' centre air vents (should of
been round like the outers) and the arc console reminds me of the old
Supra. Copycat details like the hidden rear door handles (Alfas) and
Spaceball gearstick (Volvo S60) - no surprises there. Overall...
thumbs up to Honda for taking this bold design step but this version is not for me.
 

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I like that a lot! it is as a few have said a bold step but its a good step I feel!

Oh and Wallacel, where are the pic's mate??
 

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I like that a lot! it is as a few have said a bold step but its a good step I feel!

Oh and Wallacel, where are the pic's mate??
LOL, going to have a good cleaning session the weekend CJ, then i'll post some pics up[;)][;)]
 
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