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I note today in Auto Express that both Ford and Vauxhall are launching 2 new upgrade models for the Astra VXR and Focus ST at the motorshow in London.

Both are producing more or less 300bhp!!

Both available from the dealership with manufacturers warranty from new!

They have both have suspension and brake upgrades to cope with ATB diffs as options.

I also note Seat is launching the Cupra R with 240 bhp.....don't know if it is utilising the same turbo unit as the current Golf.

It seems other manufacturers are leaving VW behind in the Power stakes.

I've driven the the MK5 and it could easily handle 300bhp especially with a diff the chassis is that good. Why can't VW build a special with that in mind....there new 240 hp car is already lagging behind even though it's not launched.

Perhaps a special turbo R32 is the answer?

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Just what the VXR needs, more power! It cant handle the power that its got now let alone more. Even with the diffs I bet its a dog to drive.
 

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yes and no.

mkII golf - escort RS turbo! astra GTE! killed golf!

MKIII golf - escort cossie! astra GSI! clio williams! killed golf!

MKIV golf - focus rs! astra GSI 2.0T!, clio 172! killed golf!

MKV golf - focus st! astra VXR! clio 197! killed golf!

It's not a new story, the golf has always been pretty bab in comparison (power wise)

BUT - the only reason ford, vauxhall etc have more bhp and straight line speed is because they are lacking something the GTI has always had..... class, prestige and the original hot hatch 'GTI' badge.

Like clarkson said, you could be a millionaire and drive a golf, and not lose any respect. Lets face it - Focus STs and Astra VXRs are chav-mobiles, hense the over aggresive styling and stupid power through front wheels for all those McDonalds car park burnouts!!!!
 

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- Focus STs and Astra VXRs are chav-mobiles, hense the over aggresive styling and stupid power through front wheels for all those McDonalds car park burnouts!!!!
I could not have said that any better myself! :)
 

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There's one thing that really puzzles me when I read about the latest hot hatch offerings by car manufacturers.

In today's world of ever-increasing fuel prices with unleaded hitting ?1 per litre and a prolonged campaign against speeding by government and police forces with cameras dominating the scenery with a national speed limit of 70 mph (i.e. any speed above this is illegal), why are they continually striving to produce cars with far more power than you could ever legally use to its full potential on Britain's roads?

What's the point of having a car that has a top speed of anything over 100 mph? If you get nabbed going over this you risk a ban. Do you really need a car that can accelerate to 60 mph in under 6 seconds for your day to day commuting?

The GTI has all the power I need and uses what its got in a smooth, refined way. It's also well made, got a lovely interior, has great technology such as the DSG, looks great, can seat 4 people with a good sized boot and will hold its value well.

Would I swap my GTI for a 300 bhp ST or VXR... No!
 

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There's one thing that really puzzles me when I read about the latest hot hatch offerings by car manufacturers.

In today's world of ever-increasing fuel prices with unleaded hitting ?1 per litre and?a prolonged?campaign against speeding?by government and police forces with?cameras dominating the scenery with a national speed limit of 70 mph (i.e. any speed above this is illegal), why are they continually striving to produce cars with far more power than you could ever legally use to its full potential on Britain's roads?

What's the point of having a car that has a top speed of anything over 100 mph? If you get nabbed going over this you risk a ban. Do you really need a car that can accelerate to 60 mph in under 6 seconds for your day to day commuting?

The GTI has all the power I need and uses what its got in a smooth, refined way. It's also well made, got a lovely interior, has great technology such as the DSG, looks great, can seat 4 people with a good sized boot and will hold its value well.

Would I swap my GTI for a 300 bhp?ST or VXR... No!

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well said that man.
 

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There's one thing that really puzzles me when I read about the latest hot hatch offerings by car manufacturers.

In today's world of ever-increasing fuel prices with unleaded hitting ?1 per litre and a prolonged campaign against speeding by government and police forces with cameras dominating the scenery with a national speed limit of 70 mph (i.e. any speed above this is illegal), why are they continually striving to produce cars with far more power than you could ever legally use to its full potential on Britain's roads?

What's the point of having a car that has a top speed of anything over 100 mph? If you get nabbed going over this you risk a ban. Do you really need a car that can accelerate to 60 mph in under 6 seconds for your day to day commuting?

The GTI has all the power I need and uses what its got in a smooth, refined way. It's also well made, got a lovely interior, has great technology such as the DSG, looks great, can seat 4 people with a good sized boot and will hold its value well.

Would I swap my GTI for a 300 bhp ST or VXR... No!
Agree Dave, I think manufacturers have to offer more and more power (within reason) because, (A) cars are getting heavier and heavier, with more safety kit, and (B) with wind tunnels dictating design, they need the power factor to appeal.

When you consider the MKV GTi is twice the weight of a MK1, and has twice the power.
 

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Lets remember that the ST and VXR are the top model in their range. The GTI is not, it is the R32. Of course the GTI can take more power but it would be better than the R32 then. With VW it is all about product protection.
 

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also, consider fashion and that manufacturers supply what a market demands. Inspite of the fact that it usually wees it down for most of th year, the Uk is the 2nd largest market in Europe for convertibles.

Go figure !
 

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yes and no.

mkII golf - escort RS turbo! astra GTE! killed golf!

MKIII golf - escort cossie! astra GSI! clio williams! killed golf!

MKIV golf - focus rs! astra GSI 2.0T!, clio 172! killed golf!

MKV golf - focus st! astra VXR! clio 197! killed golf!

It's not a new story, the golf has always been pretty bab in comparison (power wise)

BUT - the only reason ford, vauxhall etc have more bhp and straight line speed is because they are lacking something the GTI has always had..... class, prestige and the original hot hatch 'GTI' badge.

Like clarkson said, you could be a millionaire and drive a golf, and not lose any respect. Lets face it - Focus STs and Astra VXRs are chav-mobiles, hense the over aggresive styling and stupid power through front wheels for all those McDonalds car park burnouts!!!!
What a wise man you are sprog, couldn't have put it better. Im sure we will be seeing the focus st and the astra vrx in a council estate near us soon. I love it they are like the sierra cossie graveyards.
 

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Got to agree with Dave Carter. The Gti has all the power the average person needs for the roads of the UK. The MKV Gti selling like hot cakes. Great package, good handling, good interior, good build quality, good reliability, good re-sale value and most important of all a great engine.

Buy a Ford or a Vauxhall, pays your money you get what you get. I know what i would buy!
 

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Some "lesser" car manufacturers simply stuff the their hatchback sport models with loads of power some what ruining the experience inorder to get lots of column space and appeal to more lads.  AKA the focus RS, the thing torque steered like mad taking alot of the pleasure away from the car when it tried to put you in the hedge.  Cars like the Golf GTi / Civic Type R have the right amount of power to make it an every day useable fast hatch.
 

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BUT - the only reason ford, vauxhall etc have more bhp and straight line speed is because they are lacking something the GTI has always had..... class, prestige and the original hot hatch 'GTI' badge.

Like clarkson said, you could be a millionaire and drive a golf, and not lose any respect. Lets face it - Focus STs and Astra VXRs are chav-mobiles, hense the over aggresive styling and stupid power through front wheels for all those McDonalds car park burnouts!!!!
Well said! You and dgcarter! [y]

And sicasey, you as well. I'd rather have a controllable and comfortable 200bhp (complete with a touch of class and heritage) from the GTI or (to a lesser degree) the Type-R, none of this asbo-orange or bleeding-eyes-red ST or VXR nonsense for me.
 

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Interesting post ... I see Audi are now putting the A4 upto 220ps with the same engine as the Gti thinkits the S Line specail. With regards to the ST and VXR these are what hot hatches should look like, they stand out from the rest of the range which lets be honest the GTi doesn't. Now the GT has been launched it almost has the same look in the rear view mirror as the GTi.

The GTi is the original hot hatch but nowadays I think its just an icon and even if the Mk5 wasn't the best allround hatch it would still sell just like the M4 did. If I was to choose a hot hatch for being what it should be namely loud I would give serious thought to owning the VXR ST or even megane 225, all are bargin cars with bucket loads of power, even if the chassis cannot handle it, even then you learn to drive around certain things, programs like top gear just over exagerate oversteer like on the VXR.

The best every day sporting hatch would probably be the GTi it does eveything well, but I like the centre exit exhaust of the VXR the wonderfull soundtrack of the ST and the bargin price of the 225. As for the orange, yes please, its loud and on a bright day really does tango people.
 

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The whole ethos of the Golf GTi is that it's a more harmonious and complete package than the competition. There have always been hot-hatches with more power and, perhaps, more driver focussed handling, but the whole package of the others has been a little un-balanced. It's worth noting that both Vauxhall and Ford have followed the Mk V GTi and to make their mark they've had to offer something different:- more power/more radical looks/5 cylinders/orange paint.

I suspect that it costs more to refine the handling/ride balance than to turn up the boost or fit harder springs.....................

Having said that, I do think there is scope for VW to make the whole of the Golf range less conservative and improve the driving experience without compromising the day to day utility.

Just my 2p worth.
 

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on the other hand vw have always had some thing to compete with the others if not always available in this country, and probably loads more money too. dont forget the 16v mk2 golf gti that was easily as quick if not quicker than the cars in the first group

mkII golf g60 limited 1.8 16v supercharged 200bhp - escort RS turbo! astra GTE!

MKIII golf vr6 - escort cossie! astra GSI! clio williams!

MKIV golf r32 - focus rs! astra GSI 2.0T!, clio 172!

MKV golf r32 - focus st! astra VXR! clio 197!
 

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With regards to the ST and VXR these are what hot hatches should look like, they stand out from the rest of the range which lets be honest the GTi doesn't.
Not sure if I agree with that. The GTI styling for the Mk5 is iconic and I expect has influenced at least how the VXR looks... Even down to choosing the same colour for its adverts. I will agree with the rear bumber not being painted it is not so agressive but from the front it still is very agressive when put against the rest...

If I was unable to buy a GTI then perhaps I would consider one of those, but it would always play second fiddle what I really would have wanted.

There seems to be a very big emphasis on BHP in the VXR marketing mix - it is clear who they have targeted. The smiles I get from a power increase of 85 bhp from my previous car is excellent, however anymore than that in a car that I am not sure how well it handles would worry me slightly.

I dont think anyone is nocking these cars but I really do not think you can say that the GTI is being left behind at all. Remember its been out nearly 2 years now....
 
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