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I always thought that the GT red I meant it was the 150bhp with turbo and the silver GTI the 115bhp without turbo.

Am I correct?

Cheers Lorel
Quite possibly, i've heard this aswell. Although the non-turbo version is actually 125bhp, not 115!

Just thought i'd point that out for you for future reference ! [;)]
 

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Arent the real GTi's badged up as TDI [:|]

To quote EVO "Faster than the petrol version"
and louder, smellier and less refined..... [:p]
Speaking of refinement , don't the real GTi's use considerably less of the less refined fuel?..[6]
Yes, but they can also use peanut oil, rapeseed oil, sunflower oil or in fact any old oil you like, so your actually being ripped off by every garage that sells you DIESEL OIL for nearly ?5 a gallon !!!!!

Why do nearly all TDI owners insist its the real GTI. ITS NOT, It's A Diesel with some nice trim and it goes well. It is not a GTI, see your VW history book, GTI's only ever came in petrol and as far as I know, still do !!! You can carry on telling yourself that you have a GTI, but you haven't. You have a TDI, which has it's roots set firmly in about 199?, not 1976 !!!

Sorry for the rant mate, but just had to get that one out. Feeling much better now, thanks.

However it's still a Golf, so thats OK in my book. Just don't tell me it's the real GTI.
 

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Arent the real GTi's badged up as TDI [:|]

To quote EVO "Faster than the petrol version"
and louder, smellier and less refined..... [:p]
Speaking of refinement , don't the real GTi's use considerably less of the less refined fuel?..[6]
Yes, but they can also use peanut oil, rapeseed oil, sunflower oil or in fact any old oil you like, so your actually being ripped off by every garage that sells you DIESEL OIL for nearly ?5 a gallon !!!!!

Why do nearly all TDI owners insist its the real GTI. ITS NOT, It's A Diesel with some nice trim and it goes well. It is not a GTI, see your VW history book, GTI's only ever came in petrol and as far as I know, still do !!! You can carry on telling yourself that you have a GTI, but you haven't. You have a TDI, which has it's roots set firmly in about 199?, not 1976 !!!

Sorry for the rant mate, but just had to get that one out. Feeling much better now, thanks.

However it's still a Golf, so thats OK in my book. Just don't tell me it's the real GTI.
My two pence worth - After searching the web for what exactly GTI means, I was only able to ascertain that it either stands for Grand Touring Injection or Grand Tourer Injection. IMO neither the petrol or the diesel version of the Golf qualify in my eyes as a Grand Tourer as I would have thought them to be too compact, however both models have fuel injection. During my search, I found no explanation that a GTI can only be powered by a petrol engine either, so my conclusion is neither can be called 'GT' yet both are equally entitled to be called 'I'

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Arent the real GTi's badged up as TDI [:|]

To quote EVO "Faster than the petrol version"
and louder, smellier and less refined..... [:p]
Speaking of refinement , don't the real GTi's use considerably less of the less refined fuel?..[6]
Yes, but they can also use peanut oil, rapeseed oil, sunflower oil or in fact any old oil you like, so your actually being ripped off by every garage that sells you DIESEL OIL for nearly ?5 a gallon !!!!!

Why do nearly all TDI owners insist its the real GTI. ITS NOT, It's A Diesel with some nice trim and it goes well. It is not a GTI, see your VW history book, GTI's only ever came in petrol and as far as I know, still do !!! You can carry on telling yourself that you have a GTI, but you haven't. You have a TDI, which has it's roots set firmly in about 199?, not 1976 !!!

Sorry for the rant mate, but just had to get that one out. Feeling much better now, thanks.

However it's still a Golf, so thats OK in my book. Just don't tell me it's the real GTI.
My two pence worth - After searching the web for what exactly GTI means, I was only able to ascertain that it either stands for Grand Touring Injection or Grand Tourer Injection. IMO neither the petrol or the diesel version of the Golf qualify in my eyes as a Grand Tourer as I would have thought them to be too compact, however both models have fuel injection. During my search, I found no explanation that a GTI can only be powered by a petrol engine either, so my conclusion is neither can be called 'GT' yet both are equally entitled to be called 'I'

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Arent the real GTi's badged up as TDI [:|]

To quote EVO "Faster than the petrol version"
and louder, smellier and less refined..... [:p]
Speaking of refinement , don't the real GTi's use considerably less of the less refined fuel?..[6]
Yes, but they can also use peanut oil, rapeseed oil, sunflower oil or in fact any old oil you like, so your actually being ripped off by every garage that sells you DIESEL OIL for nearly ?5 a gallon !!!!!

Why do nearly all TDI owners insist its the real GTI. ITS NOT, It's A Diesel with some nice trim and it goes well. It is not a GTI, see your VW history book, GTI's only ever came in petrol and as far as I know, still do !!! You can carry on telling yourself that you have a GTI, but you haven't. You have a TDI, which has it's roots set firmly in about 199?, not 1976 !!!

Sorry for the rant mate, but just had to get that one out. Feeling much better now, thanks.

However it's still a Golf, so thats OK in my book. Just don't tell me it's the real GTI.
I'll See you at the lights then [;)]
 

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Yes, RJH is correct about the models. When the MkIV was first launched in the UK, the non-turbo GTI was a 20v 1.8 pushing 125bhp. However this unit lacked the mid-range torque it needed thus prompting VW to replace it with the 2.0 115bhp 8v unit from the previous MkIII Golf GTI. All of these cars were badged with with the silver GTI lettering. The GT red I (ie the 150bhp 1.8T model) badges were the first to identify the turbocharged cars as the more powerful GTI. However owing to an increased number of thefts of these models, VW UK decided to change the lettering to all silver. Even my previous 1.8T was so badged. I wanted the red 'I' so my dealer changed it free of charge.

~ Maxie
 
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