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After loosing my mk4 1.8T estate to the missus and being religated to the mk3 GTI for commuting I have decided to spend a little cash on myself (well I have had the green light from the missus).

Let her loose in the mk3 the other day and had the result I was hoping for "It feels old & slow, shall we swap it for a mk4 deisel?"

RESULT!!!!

The question is, which option to go for & why?

Minor mods will take place but nothing major (perhaps??).

Any suggestions on preference?
 

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Hi

Firstly can I say that I have owned a 115pd for the past 2 years, have driven a friends 130pd, and test driven a 130pd.

The 130 is by far the best engine in my opinion, significantly faster that the 115, and doesnt have the turbo lag of the 150.

I didnt enjoy the 150bhp all that much when I drove it, and found that I personally prefer the characteristics of my 115 over it.

The 130 is the smoothest, best engine to drive.

Add to this the fact that it will have better fuel consumption, and will cost a significant amount less, and you will have more choice.

I believe it is definately the one to go for. And besides, if you were to remap them, they come within 10bhp of each other I believe from the likes of revo.......the 130 benefits from more significant gains.

Hope that helps

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Just my 2 penneth, but as soon as I saw this thread title it reminded me of a thought I had th eother day - I've noticed a lot of pd150 drivers on this forum recently who have had problems with their engine/clutch/gearbox.
 

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May be just a coincidence, but the 115/130/150 engines essentially share the same components. The clutches and gearboxes are identical. Having driven all 3 high torque tdi's in the mk4, the 150 is the closest to driving a petrol engined car, and by far the most fun.

Could it not be that most of us with 150's, have tuned them and then kicked the nuts out them?[:'(]
 

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Go for the 150 without a doubt.....when re-mapped The 150's lag although very slight is no more and it pulls very hard up to the limit whereas the 130 runs out of puff a little earlier......when both are tuned they put out similar power although the 150 has a better turbo and bigger intercooler

The 150 gives you that little extra power in the rev range where its needed.......but again as I said tuning potential for the 130 and 150 is huge you can't go wrong with either, After driving both I prefered the 150....but ended up buying a heavily tuned 150 in the end anyway!! lol
 

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For me the PD150 is one to go for, for these reasons:

- Power all the way to the redline, no tailing off, by far the better drivers car

- Sports Suspension as standard

- Climate as standard (on later cars)

- Montreal 2 16" Alloys as standard

- Front mount intercooler, plus all the other engine enhancements for a more reliable power increase

Basically the PD150 is the only "Gti" Spec diesel, they are both very good cars but Im afraid

the PD130 is second best.
 

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For me the PD150 is one to go for, for these reasons:

- Power all the way to the redline, no tailing off, by far the better drivers car

- Sports Suspension as standard

- Climate as standard (on later cars)

- Montreal 2 16" Alloys as standard

- Front mount intercooler, plus all the other engine enhancements for a more reliable power increase

Basically the PD150 is the only "Gti" Spec diesel, they are both very good cars but Im afraid

the PD130 is second best.
Could not have put it better myself, the 130 is a very good car - it just that the 150 is better. But its whether u can justify the premium.
 

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May be just a coincidence, but the 115/130/150 engines essentially share the same components. The clutches and gearboxes are identical. Having driven all 3 high torque tdi's in the mk4, the 150 is the closest to driving a petrol engined car, and by far the most fun.

Could it not be that most of us with 150's, have tuned them and then kicked the nuts out them?[:'(]
its the 130 and 150 that mostly share the same components, same engine(internals), clutch and gearbox ,brakes etc only difference is the turbo and intercooler. The 115 engine wise is more like the PD100, also the 6 speed gearbox has slightly different ratios on the 115..

If you had plans to fit a hybrid turbo and a better FMIC it then wouldnt matter if it was a 130 or 150, but just for remapp plans the 150 would be the one to go for.
 

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Erm..... the block internals are slightly different in the PD150 to the 130, not a lot but they have been slightly uprated, believe it's just the conrods though.  But there are more differences than you'd imagine
 

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Many thansk for all your responses.

It gives me something to think about.

I quite like the idea of the 150, not sure about modding it though, well, not straight away anyway.

The Turbo I also drive is the 150 so don't want to drop too much below that sort of power, but it is a petrol and about to have a remap.

I will keep my eyes out for the availabilty of both 130 & 150 just incase there is a particular clean 130 that comes up at the right price.

Is there any differences on the interior between the 130 & 150?

Any more suggestion, experieces or thoughts would be welcome.
 

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Is there any differences on the interior between the 130 & 150?
Over the 130, the 150 has, in no particular order:

Sports seats with lumbar and height adjustment both sides, as opposed to just driver's.

Three rear headrests.

Lowered sports suspension.

Removable "wood" trim.

Climate on 2003 model cars and later.

16" Montreal II's.
 

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Erm..... the block internals are slightly different in the PD150 to the 130, not a lot but they have been slightly uprated, believe it's just the conrods though. But there are more differences than you'd imagine
so where did you get this info from?? the conrods are the same on the ASZ as on the ARL. The ASZ is basically a detuned 150

block and pistons set for ASZ part number : 038 103 101 AB

block and pistons set for ARL part number : 038 103 101 AB

conrod for ASZ : 038 198 401 B

conrod for ARL: 038 198 401 B
 

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Oooooooooohhhhh nice!

You see, got used to the sports interior, climate control, arm rest, 3 rear head rests & 16" rims on the Turbo, makes you forget you are in an estate.

Slowly coming round to the idea of the 150, if I can find one with the right sort of mileage etc.

Will be no problem talking the missus into it, "Basically it's what you have love but with better fuel economy".

I can see me reverting back to 'Hers & Hers' as apposed to 'His & Hers'!!!
 

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Why buy a Golf?

The following cars have the 150PD engine aboard;

Bora

Ibiza (160PD)

Leon

Toledo

If you are considering a budget and plan on keeping the car for a while, I would recommend the Toledo. You can get one less than 2 years old with low miles for less than ?8k. Same engine and box as the Golf, at a much better price and includes climate, lots of gadgets etc. You would be lucky to get a 4 years old thrashed mega miled Golf 150PD for that.
 

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The 130 is far inferior to the 150 although some people prefer the instant shove you get at low speeds. This quickly tails of when you really get moving though and the power band is very narrow on the 130, even worse than the 150 which isn't great.

Add to this the FMIC of the 150 along with stronger engine internals and I believe a better clutch (could be wrong on this but the 150 clutch is still pants and WILL eventually slip when remapped) then the 130 is a non starter unless money is an issue. 150's tend to have a higher spec as well.

No difference in economy between the 2 either in my experience. The 130 is for people who can't afford the 150 and that's it.

In any case if it was me I'd probably go for a Bora and get a higher spec car for less money.
 

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sammyboy, the 130 engine internals are the same as the 150, they also both use the same clutch.
I was told the injectors were different as well as the conrods. The clutch I'm not sure about as I said.
 

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ive listed the part numbers above regarding the conrods etc, the injectors share the same part number too.
Just looked, it means a well known VW specialist lied to me, I may even have a case for claiming back the extra money from them. Thanks, I'm going to look into it.
 
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