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Firstly hi to everyone, what a great and informative site.?​
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Have now owned my MK4 GTI 2.0 - 2001 - 70,000 miles for 2 months.<O:p style=""></O:p>​
Bought for ?4750 from a friend (big mistake) who has now moved to South America...!!!!<O:p style=""></O:p>​
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Got to say I love the car to bits and now am a complete Golf convert (got my eyes on a 4 motion already)<O:p style=""></O:p>​
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Anyway I started to notice a squeak coming from the rear of the car which (after looking at this site) presumed to be the rear bushes.<O:p style=""></O:p>​
So took the car to local stealers (Wandsworth south London) the report came back 4 days later after lots of phone calls chasing them up.<O:p style=""></O:p>​
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I have no idea if the prices quoted to me are steep or not so thought the learnerd panel may be able to help.<O:p style=""></O:p>​
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1. Told the wrong color coolant had been added to the car - not sure what affect this would have?<O:p style=""></O:p>​
2. Both front and rear break disc have corroded so need replacing - ?450<O:p style=""></O:p>​
3. Front anti roll bar + bushes need replacing - ?195<O:p style=""></O:p>​
4. Center exhaust mount broken away needs replacing - ?200<O:p style=""></O:p>​
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Was told squeak coming from rear was due to the spare beening loose???????<O:p style=""></O:p>​
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Think I need to get another quote?? Does anyone know of a good place to start in south London? Or is it advisable to have the VW stealer do it???<O:p style=""></O:p>​
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Sorry for all the questions but a ?800 hit is not what I need in Jan!!!<O:p style=""></O:p>​
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Needless to say my 'Mate' will be getting a call as he told me he had it all checked out!!!<O:p style=""></O:p>​
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Cheers in advance
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Never know the colour of the coolant to affect the cooling system at all, that is total rubbish.. Some have blue coolant some are red.. . Water is water and coolant is coolant. And for the prices they want id want volvic mineral water in the coolant. As long as you have coolant/anti freeze and the anti freeze/coolant level has been checked thats fine.

Front discs are correded and need replacing, check how bad they are first. If they do need replacing them obviously you will have to replace the brake pads aswell. The price for the discs are ? 50 max and ? 40-50(retail prices) for pads from any good motor factors, using brands like ferodo premier, mintex, bendix etc. The VW pads and discs arnt that much of a price difference. So round ? 100 would easily cover the parts for the front discs and pads. Then 2 hours max labour. (slugs pace)

Centre exhaust mount is a common fault and always breaks, just get it welded up or put a big jubilee clip around it, any reputable garage would weld the bracket back onto the exhaust pipe or clip it up for you for a few quid.

And as for the anti roll bar bushes, you could get a quote from a reputable garage in your area rather than vw prices. Just go to a good reputable garage and these prices wont even be half !
 

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I have heard that mixing the red + blue coolant can cause a weird reaction to occur and turn it almost into a sludge, thus maybe blocking your coolant system up. If the cooling system was flushed before the blue coolant was poured in then id imagine its ok but im not 100% sure on this. Best you check that out yourself.

Most garages tend to report corroded discs, this is due to the fact if you develop a brake judder it covers there backs if you come back and say "well...its just been serviced ...you missed it out?" and also depending on the state of the pads , its reminding you prematurly that the discs will need replacing at next pad change. How much is left on your pads? Personally id leave the brake discs until the pads are down...get the most wear out of them.

Again, centre exhaust mount usually just cracks and requires rewelding, places like kwik fit will sort this for a tenner.

Anti roll bar bushes are cheap, about ?10 for the inner bushes with the brackets and about ?20 for the drop links (2)

Judging from that i would sort yourself out with a decent independant garage, unfortunatly i dont know of any near Wandsworth slthough i did spend 3 years visiting that place all the time. Garages seem to be very limited inthe London area to me.
 

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Never know the colour of the coolant to affect the cooling system at all, that is total rubbish.. Some have blue coolant some are red.. . Water is water and coolant is coolant. And for the prices they want id want volvic mineral water in the coolant. As long as you have coolant/anti freeze and the anti freeze/coolant level has been checked thats fine.
It's not total rubbish. Direct quotes from p.34 and 36 of the 'Tips and Maintenance' booklet:

"Other additives can be very detrimental to the anti-corrosion effect in particular. The subsequent corrosion damage can lead to coolant loss resulting in major engine damage"

"The G12 coolant additive must not be mixed with other additives (not even G11). You can recognise G12 in the expansion tank by its red colour. If the fluid in the expansion tank is brown, G12 has been mixed with another additive! If this is the case, the coolant must be changed immediately! Otherwise, serious functional failures or damage to the engine could result!"

Those warnings sound too serious to be ignored.
 

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cheers guys,
thanks for the help,
Kwick fit and independant it is hopefully be a lot cheaper than ?800
Wandswoth VW place are expecting me to take car back in Mnoday morning for work to be carried out, guess they will still want some cash for looking at it!!!
The guy said coolant would be fine but I was to make sure in the future to use the right colour!
 

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I've never heard that about the coolant, at work we normally flush it out ad change it and add new anti freeze/coolant and water. So ill have to read about this further maybe the red coolant thats specific to vw uses a special anti corrosion additive then..?
 

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all i can find is the G12 has anti corrosive properties and shouldnt b mixed with any other coolant. Many people/garages dont carry this out and most put normal coolant in or mix it so im not to sure if it is a problem and WILL actually cause engine damage?? Maybe prolonged use of non G12 Coolant would cause corrosion? I dont know im not sure on this but every service i have done at work we just change the coolant to any normall stuff.
 

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all i can find is the G12 has anti corrosive properties and shouldnt b mixed with any other coolant. Many people/garages dont carry this out and most put normal coolant in or mix it so im not to sure if it is a problem and WILL actually cause engine damage?? Maybe prolonged use of non G12 Coolant would cause corrosion? I dont know im not sure on this but every service i have done at work we just change the coolant to any normall stuff.
I don't know exactly how the damage occurs but when the people who designed my car warns me in bold letters never to use coolant other than G12 (or one that matches the spec) then I'm not going to risk causing major damage (potentially costing thousands of pounds) by using other stuff for the sake of convenience or a saving of less than ?10 every 2 years. Just get some G12 from VW, IIRC it costs about ?6 per litre which has gotta be worth it for peace of mind if nothing else.
 

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You can also get the RED G12 from COMA and is Vw spec and iirc it cost me about 20-25 quid for a gallon as stated it containd the anti corrrosion agent and as most cylinder head are allu then it is not a bad idea and in most case it corrodes the HEAD GASKET

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There's a recommended VW specialist in Morden, south London:

www.mastertechs.co.uk
I would go specialist!! If there is enough of G11 (blue) to the G12 (red) it can cause clumps and blockages!

I find dealers are a bit pedantic where as the specialist I use is very good and saves me on maintenance when it will make no difference. Recently I had my radio ariel ripped out, I needed a new mount fitted. The dealer quoted me 220!! I got it all done for 57 all in!

BTW - Halford's red coolant is G12 compliant, it doesn't say G12 (its a VW code) but it does meet the other Coolant spec outlined in the manual - I got a ready mixed one when I changed my temp sender for about 11-12 Quid.
 

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Never know the colour of the coolant to affect the cooling system at all, that is total rubbish.. Some have blue coolant some are red.. . Water is water and coolant is coolant. And for the prices they want id want volvic mineral water in the coolant. As long as you have coolant/anti freeze and the anti freeze/coolant level has been checked thats fine.
you are very wrong. if the wron coolant is added the alloy in the engine will then corrode and cause major problmes for the rad and the pump. please be sure you know what you are advising prior to giving advice. this could have cost the thread starter a good few quid.

i would recomend not using a jubilee clip as they are not the best thing for the job. i would use a benely clamp (exhaust clamp) these are more fit for purpose and are better for taking of when you need to replace the exhaust.

i would be carfull when going to kwick fit as they will try and sell you a load of crap that you don't need. when ppl say they are going to kwick fit i always ask them the question. "are you happy with someone working on your car that has not had the correct training and is only a dirty salesman" i have repaired many of this mobs mistakes in the past and it has cost the customer more because the job was so poor and caused more damage.

find a good "back Street garage" and stick with them.

thansk

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I'd be inclined to drain the cooling system and flush and refill with the correct stuff, as for independant garages, just north of Putney Bridge on the left there's a Golf specialist sales, they could point you in the right direction for local VW work?

I use Sanspeed in Bexleyheath, bit too far for you tho I think, not VW specialist's but know their stuff, they service Caterhams, Ferraris, Porkers, VW's etc etc.
 

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I'd be inclined to drain the cooling system and flush and refill with the correct stuff, as for independant garages, just north of Putney Bridge on the left there's a Golf specialist sales, they could point you in the right direction for local VW work?

I think your dealer is being a bit too errr..... enthusiastic to say the least!

I use Sanspeed in Bexleyheath, bit too far for you tho I think, not VW specialist's but know their stuff, they service Caterhams, Ferraris, Porkers, VW's etc etc.
 

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thanks AndyR
Just checked coolant and its brown so will chang it asap.
It has been like that for at least 2 months (thats how long I have owned the car) is there any tel tail signs of any damage it may have caused? or would it take longer to cause damage?
 

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Probably takes a whlle before enough damage is done for any signs to appear.   First things that may go include the water pump and coolant temperature sender.  When the engine is warmed up, does the temp needle point rest at 90 degrees?
 
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