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"Hey Wolfgang, now we've perfected these new 6 speed gearboxes we can up ze torque on ze PD115 engine, in fact vee vill call it ze AJM.... or no ze AUY... yar ?" Said Fritz.

"But Fritz, vee have loads of zee old 115's to use up before we can go using ze high torque version. Ze silly Britishers will not realise anyvay, vell, not for a few years and when zay do it vill be some saddo on some internet forum."

"yar, yar yar"

What you have read above is the scary and confusing nightmare of thoughts and what may have happened at the VW factory about 5 years ago...

Sorry people, but I can't help my imagination once it goes off on one.

Reason being, I've just been reading my new Haynes manual which now covers the PD engine for the very first time. In it, it states the following :-

Max power:-

AJM and AUY = 85kw at 4000 rpm

Max torque :-

AJM 285nm at 1900 rpm

AUY 310nm at 1900 rpm (same as ASZ, PD130)

Ok, I'll remain calm here and say, mine is an AJM BUT and it's a BIG BUT.. mine has a 6 speed box NOT a five speed. I understand that the first 115's were slightly lower on torque due I think to VW being worried the 5 speed could not cope with big torqu) and that the later ones that were mated to the 6 speeds had more torque....

Still with me ?

No ?

OK, I'll spell it out.... I thought I had a high toque 115 due to it having a 6 speed box. Having higher torque and 6 gears, to me = 100% smugness.

But, me having a lowly 115 even though I still have 6 gears has at present reduced my smugness by at least 54%, which means thatI'm now only 46% smugger than other drivers, which is bad. I spent loads of cash on my car to get 6 gears, low fuel bills and 100% smugness, 46% is simply not good enough as I can see it dropping further.

Anyway, there are several possibilities :-

1, The conversation detailed above did take place and VW did put lower torque 115's in Golfs with 6 speed gearboxes and I HAVE been scammed by VW themselves !

2, When Mr Haynes wrote his book, he got it WRONG, just like he did when he says all PD's have front mounted intercoolers on page 4D6 item 7 'Intercooler'. This is not a scam, I'd describe it more as an unfunny and sick practical joke.

Can anyone help me ?

Basically, is

AJM = 285nm ? (mine with 6 speed box and me running at 46%)

AUY = 311nm ?
 

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Well mine is under the front drivers side wheel arch....

as to your NM's don't know, that's what I'm asking.
 

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.....Wolfsburg May 2000

"Yar yar yar"

"Vee can use up zee last of zee lover torque 115's with ze new 6 speed gearvox"

"Zee Britishers vill not know, zay all drif company carz"

"And ven they get to old, and somevon buys ze carz after the lease company, zay vill be out of ze VW varranty"

"Yar yar yar"
 

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....Haynes Headquarters, Sommerset, England October 2004

"Right then me olde muckerz, have wee got that new Golf book done yet ?"

"Yez we 'ave, just gotta do some final editing"

"Did you speak to Fritz at VW ?"

"Yez and I got all ye engine data, but thought ee may 'ave beyn 'iding zumfink"

"You sure"

"Not really, it was after lunch and I 'ad been on the zider"

"You carrot crunching donkey, you know hot 'appened last time, when we got the Mondeo manual out after you'd been on the zider last time..."
 

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Maidenhead Berkshire, home of CTP May 2004

"Honey, you should take a company car"

"Nooo"

"I'm fed up driving a car I can't be smug in"

"But if you keep the one you've got it'll be ok, or there's the company car option"

"Nooo, I want a small economical Diesel and those damned fine Pd engined Golf's with the 6 speed gearbox have just become a reasonable proposition.... a nice high torque 115"

"You what ?... I'm off to Sainsbury's"

"Hmmmm, i'll show her, she's got no idea how smug i'll be if I get one"
 

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It has and soon I'll be off to bed.

Sadly though, on the way to work tomorrow, I'm going to be less smug than usual due to me having 25nm less torque than I thought I had.

IT SIMPLY CANNOT BE TRUE !!

I must have 310nm NOT 285nm

Laugh all you want but this effects a lot of members.....Oh and it's all right for you in your "Uber-smug" 130 with 310nm's !!
 

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Bed time any mo....

Been pacing up and down the front room thinking about torque ALL night.

25nm is not funny.

In fact here are some calculations in the reduction of my smugness as I kinda guessed the percentages earlier...

If 310nm = 100% smugness

then

1nm = 0.3225 % smugness

so

285nm = 91.93% smugness

so that's only a drop of about 8% in terms of overall smugness.

I appologise if I caused any alarm with my kneejerk reaction to the drop in my smugness.

Grrrrr..... I can foresee a sleepless night ahead !
 

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Mine is one of the last 115's (July '01) and has a 6-speed box. You would therefore think it would be a 'high-torque' version, but it is in fact an AJM.

Doesn't really clear much up though does it?

I've got something which may do though- I've got a before and after RR graph from when I got it chipped. I'll see if I can read the torque figure from that.
 

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I was under the impression that only the 285NM PD's were available over here, seeing as the 130PD produces 310NM (according to this Upsolute site), I cant see the 115 having more torque. As Stevoraith says, his is one of the last 115PD's and mine is a W reg 2000 with 6spd and mines a AJM.

I would doubt that anyone here has the 310 version[:p]

Lee
 

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I have a friend who is the PA to John Haynes, I will ask her to find out.

Got nothing to do with Cars though, he runs a fleet of plumbers vans!
 

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I didn't know the was a different AUY engine code for the 115, I thought they were all AJMs....
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So in my ignorance I'm still 100% smug 'cos I really haven't a clue anyway[:eek:)]

But if I have got the lower torque engine I'll be really
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and consider myself well and truly
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for not researching it properley!
 
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