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After the recent incidents where rottweillers have attacked people just wanted to know your thoughts on the matter.

I had a lump in my throat when reading about the little baby that lost her life, it really is a terrible story. I knew it would only be a matter of time before the old debate came round regarding so called "dangerous dogs". Heres my view of it.

- I believe the owners of the rotterweillers that were used purely as guard dogs should be held responsible

- What the hell was a baby doing on her own while there were two guard dogs on the premises. How did the owners manage to leave a fire exit door open for the dogs to enter the living area of the pub. Passers by were the first to raise the alarm not the people in the pub!

- Rotterweillers as a breed should not be punished for this, the two dogs were kept to guard and patrol the pub.

- Some people are asking for all "dangerous dogs" to be banned and included in the act. What dogs are they then?

And why does every chavvy soppy mug i see feel the need to bowl round the streets like they can bang harder than tyson just because they have a dog. These idiot are giving staffies and bullies a bad reputation. Ofcourse the bull breed was made many many years ago for fighting in the pit but these dogs can also be the ideal family pet given the right training and discipline. Really wanna know what you think about all this and if theres any members on here with these misunderstood "dangerous dogs". I am defo going to get myself an English Bull Terrier when i get my own place, my uncle had one but he sadly died a few years ago.

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Agree with you 100% there mate, the majority of the time it's the owners who are at fault, not the dogs.

My mum & dad have a German Shepard, she would be about 15 months old now, and the amount of people who cross the street and stuff when you are out with her is unbelievable! They see a large dog, famous for being great guard/police dogs and brick it! Thing is, for them to be used as police dogs shows just how well they can be trained and controlled.

One of my grandads friends has a rottie and it is the biggest softie out there when he's out with his owner. However, once his neighbour decided to pop round, and jumped the fence, Sabre (the rottie) wasn't impressed and made a right rukus, the guy went back over the fence, came round to the front gate and was met by a happy friendly dog - the dog knew that people coming through the gates are friends, but those jumping the fence are more than likely not!

On another note, my fiancee is a Veterinary Nurse, and she says that as far a vicious dogs go, it's always your little yorkies and other such small yappie dogs that you really have to watch for!

But yeah, there did seem to be a lot of things at fault with what happened with the poor baby.
 

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I agree in most parts - it's the owner's responsibility. No breed of dog is 100% "safe". I wouldn't allow my dog, no matter how much I trust her, to be alone in the same room with a child. She's a collie and obedient too but kids and dogs aren't a good combination.
 

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Totally agree with both of you, makes me made when ignorant people blame the dogs involved, these idiots should not be allowed to own dogs (or any other pets) cos they don't take responsibility for them.

Over the years i have had friends who have had American Pit Bull Terriers, German Shepherds and Rottweilers and never once have i known them to attack because the owners were responsible people who cared for their animals welware.

My inlaw's have three Staffordshire's which are great with all members of the family including small children, they are of a very loving nature and love the companionship of people, although they can be aggresive towards other dogs, as my in-laws are responsible owners, the dogs are always kept on a short lead when out in public. We as a family would not be without them, they are a joy to be around.
 

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I was saddened to see the poor baby in the paper then another infant not long after.i personally have two rotties and they arent bad dogs at all.in fact my jack russell is more ferocious than the pair of them.Any dog is capable of inflicting such injuries,and if the truth were known there is more dog bites treated of little dogs than the so called nasty breeds.the first rott i got was rescued from people trying to turn her nasty which the didnt suceed in doing at all.
 

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Thanks to all for the replies.

The majority of my mates have dogs, American bulldog, SBT and dobermans to name a few. TBH even though these dogs are very playful and sometimes have to be calmed down so they dont get too excited, they have never snapped or gone for anyone. I used to have a little King Charles Cavalier that actually bit me a couple times. Even with Charlie (KCC) i never left him alone in a room with a little one. Another thing that really annoys me is there is only one commonly known dog that is the act refers to, the Pit Bull. Again its because of so called gangsters and low lifes training these dogs to attack and fight in a pen. Pit bulls have the same fighting history as staffs and bull terriers.

My friend adopted a staffie from FOAL farm in Biggin Hill that had been trained to be a fighting dog. Luckly he was nt too far gone and was rescued by the farm. He was a state when he picked him up, teeth all messed up cause they had him on a treadmill while bitting an ironbar. He also lost an eye because of these barstewards [:mad:]

Anyone on here watch Miami Animal Rescue on animal planet, really sad to see the Pit Bulls that they pick up but its good to see that they are doing something about it!!

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I would have to back everything that has been said so far as i have got a staffie and he is superb and my 2 boys love him to pieces and when we are on the school run he wont leave there side all the way there and if we are in the house he will not attack anyone who comes although he does like a fuss to be made and when we are out he wont let anyone in he dont want there (even my dad a few times)you just have to be aware of what they are doing i think and just dont give them the opportunity to do owt really, and i wouldnt get rid of my dog
 

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I do not believe that a dog going for someone can be classed as the owners fault. An owner knowing a dog is dangerous and liable to do something is one thing. An owner not knowing their dog is going to go off on one is another.

Just the other day one of the docs at work, who's husband has a farm came in with a nose twice the usual size and various marks on it. At first I thought, nah, couldnt be her husband (know them well, was round their house just yesterday).

It was the dog. She has had the dog for 14 years, it's never been violent at all. She bent down to give it it's dinner and suddenly the dog went for her and bit, and held onto her nose. She had to force it's jaw open. She had a week off work.

Now, can you blame the owner there? After 14 years of a dog not hurting anyone or anything and living on a farm and being in with cows, ducks, chickens etc etc and never laying a paw on any of them?

Its far to easy to say owners are to blame.
 

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If you had a choice between leaving your 4 year daughter with a Pitbull or a labrador which one would you choose.
thb i would never leave any child in my care alone with any animal, not even my cat who is soft as s*it, you just never know, not worth it for the child and the animals welfare.
 

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i agree with everything said here and more ....

the dangerous dogs act is a joke ... should be called the dangerous owners act or dstupid public act.

and
as for dangerous breeds... well there are alot more dangerous dogs than
staffs/rotties/allies/mastiffs. Our family have had st bernards,
alsatians, westies dalmatians, dobermans. and I have looked after
long term friend s staffs and rotties.

do you know
what the most dangerous dog was..... no 1 by far was the dalmatians,
those things are lethal, they are predatory to other dogs, they can
run 10 miles at a pace not far of a greyhound, and can jump and pull a
man off a horse, mine cost me a fortune in vets bills, because I would
walk them late at night and stupid dog owners would let there dogs run
up thinking its only a dalmation... .. even though I muzzled and hiltid
them for a while it didnt work there that bloomin agile they could get
the muzzles off.

Because
of that stupid film people used to try and
hug the dog, i could be holding him on a lead talking to someone at 11
at night and people would just walk up and try and hug him... needless
to say he would try and attack....

and
nect on my list is westies... those dogs are bread for killing rats on
mass.. they are nasty little bar stewards and I havent know one that
hasnt bit at least 2 people.

Now the 2 above dont have the power
of a rotty or mastiff (though my dallie cost a grand vet bill when he
attacked a mastiff.... ) but those brreds alone are far more dangerous
as they attack more often than the big big dogs its just when a big dog
does attack it does alot more damage...

you know what about dogs
that have far more potential for damage ie the rhodesian ridgeback...
yes it has potential for massive damage, but how likely is it.

really
my opinion is untill we record stats properly IE how many rotties there
is and how many attacks by rotties, can we judge how dangerous a breed
is.

my experience is certian terriers and certain
pointers are far more dangerous because they are so highly bread and
als has people perceive them as dangerous.

oh and char peis.. they should be classed with dalmatians ... just because people think there cuddly.. nasty little dogs
 

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Sorry the other side here... I think alot of people buy these type of dogs because they have a "devil dog" status... I call them wally dogs as its usually wallys you see with them.... I'm tough and if I'm not quite tough enough my dog will ave ya!

I wouldn't leave a child with any dog... they're animals and should be treated accordingly... I dated a girl once that had her face bitten by a dog not nice at all.... I dont care what anyone says a smaller dog ie Jack Russel which can be spitefull is still only capable of ancle biting or maybe a finger removal! A dog such as a doberman, rotwieler or staff is capable as we have seen of very sadly ending a childs life and doing serious damage to an adult. However soft and friendly a dog is its still a decedent of a wild animal.
 

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Some good points raised here...

W36 EJO - What was the breed of dog that bit your friend fella if you dont mind me asking. Of course there are going to be cases where the owners are not at fault and the dog for no apparent reason bites out. I wont go as far as to say it that normal or anything but they are animals after all mate. You ca never trust a pet 100% can you?

VWWWWING - As already said by some other people, i wont never leave a child alone with a dog or cat for that matter. I have nt had any personal experiences but i have heard many stories of cats clawing the eyes out of dogs that have been chasing them. I mean how many times have you been sitting in your living room sipping a pint (slowly) and you hear the battle crys of two cats outside bout to have it out. Cats can be "devil pets" aswell LOL. To ask your question mate would choose a pit bull or labador to sit with my neice. I would honestly say the pit. Let me explain before you shout "thats absolute ball". Now if the two dogs were mine they would of had the right training etc etc. Labadors are big dogs, my brother has one that i looked after for a weekend, hes not really aggressive but is very very excited. He came galoping towards me in the morning because he was so happy to see me that he nearly put me on my arse. His paws are massive aswell. Pit Bulls have this big reputation as a devil dog that will eat you alive, but its the barstewards that chain their dog to a treadmill for hours on end that make them like that. The prize dogs were even injected with STERIODS to make them superdogs! At birth these dogs are just the same as any other bull breed. The fact that america has nt banned Pit Bulls speaks volumes.

Geeba - 100% agree with you about the berks that use dogs as some kind of fashion statement to go with their latest ECKO tracksuit.

Anyone got opinions on the English Bull Terrier (the ones with the egg shaped head LOL). I think they are well nice dogs and i cant wait to get one. My favourite breed by far.

Carl [:D]
 

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I knew this post would raise quite a bit of attention because after all we are a nation of pet lovers so issues like this affect everyone. Also reading The Sun paper today at work noticed that a recent phone vote saw that 70% of callers called for the Rottweiller breed to be banned! So then, is that really the answer, seriously? What would happen if next week we had two attacks from Yorkies or labadors (must be one of the nation favourite dogs) Fcuk it lets ban them while we re at it......

Another thing i was meant to share with you guys and gals, while at The Den (Millwall, dont mention the league) last year there was crowd trouble outside the ground no surprise there. What was surprising was the Police Dogs there were nt Alsatians but Rottweillers! Shows you how these "devil dogs" can be trained and controlled............
 

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Certainly an interesting thread this. I have to say that perhaps
many people are a little bit polarised. At the end of the day there are
bad owners and there are also bad dogs. I will certainly agree that
small dogs are the worst though. The number of times I've seen Westies
and Shih Tzu's that are already aggressive at their first vaccines
means that it has to be within the breed. I know many Rotty's and other
such dogs that are lovely but many I wouldn't trust.

I actually
think one of the worst breeds if you have an aggressive one is the
Golden Retriver. When they're aggressive they are evil - I've heard
some really bad stories about them. And I've dealt with a few that I
wouldn't go anywhere near without a muzzle.
 

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Are you a vet then??

If you are i would love to know any issues if you know any about English Bull Terriers. I know they suffer from quite a few health problems for example the all white ones can develop skin problems?

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one of the worst breeds if you have an aggressive one is the Golden Retriver. When they're aggressive they are evil - I've heard some really bad stories about them. And I've dealt with a few that I wouldn't go anywhere near without a muzzle.
I was just about to mention these as someone had said something about labrador or staffie in a room with child (moot point, wouldn't leave a child in a room with any dog, and definately not a cat! Kid prods cat, cat claws kid, simple as!). One of the nurses at my fiancees old work was also an animal behaviour specialist, and she said that 10 years ago if someone asked her what dog to get as a family pet she would always say golden retriever, but not now. Upshot is that there has been too much in-breeding of them and that has caused their temperament to change drastically!

Also, strange for someone to mention dalmatians as a fierce breed - I know that they were originally carriage dogs and have a fair bit of pace and strength about them, but my in-laws currently have 2, and had one previously and they have been fantastic dogs, although they are all bitches, so maybe it's a male thing? His current 2 get along brilliantly with my folks German Shepard (also bitch). Not had much dealings with male dallies though, so will leave it at that.
 

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A mate of mine has an ex Whitemoor Prison German Shepherd...the bizarre thing is that it is safer off the lead than on it....when it is on the lead it thinks it is still working!!

G/F had a shepherd as well, she says it was her most loyal dog ever

But I agree with the general concencus that more often than not it is the owners to blame - there are a minority of dogs that do have serious behavioral issues possibly medical/pure breed/or just a bit cuckoo...

When I was a kid we had Jack Russells, and one of them bit me in the face - if you read that in the papers today the dog would be destroyed...but the truth of the matter is was I was about 6 or 7 years old and was playing rough with it and it snapped back.. later on one of our dogs bit a friend of mine. He went running home crying, parents weren't happy coz he had said that he had done nothing to provoke the dog....however! he knew our dog would chase sticks and stones and the dog simply caught his hand as he went to pickup a stick to throw for the dog. If you saw the dog, it lived on a pub diet of it's own food, crisps and anything else it could hoover up...and couldn't catch a cold if it tried. It would sit in front of the pub fire, chewing a log until someone threw it on the fire - so he'd retrieve it (less his whiskers)
 
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