True the CTR is mega focused - which is its strength and weakness. But as a basic platform the Civic chassis is much stiffer than the mk iv. In type R form they put in thinner glass, strip out the soundproofing, add strut bars to make it even more rigid. The gearbox is a work of art - short, light. You can attack gear changes.although the 4mo has a more powerful engine it has less power at the wheels(due to 4wd transmission loss) and weighs more so the civic is quicker and handles better but i find the 4mo a great allrounder, terrific engine ,its really smooth but when you nail it the growl it makes is fantastic plus the haldex 4 motion system has loads of grip even in torrential rain (i should know i live in scotland) ive had a few gos at ctr's and ive got the edge when wet epecially with about 50 more lb/ft than the civic but no doubt in the dry the ctr is quicker
LOL - I get 'itchy feet' every few months and want an 'R' - sitting in one with those seats and that short shift gear lever it feels very motor sport! Let us know if you take one for a test drive how you get on.thanks for all the opinions -
CTR it is then,
True they are very different!! But perhaps I'm comparing more to my TDi than from a 4-mo. I think ultimately a 40mo is more sporty than my TDi (in the way that all petrols are over diesels).Not really a fair comparision as I feel the cars are designed and marketed to different audiences, but my 2pence is as follows;
4mo - looks like any other golf (good or bad, depending on viewpoint), great sounding (and flexible) engine, improved traction over rest of the range, decent egonomics/quality of trim, but handling is poor (like all mkiv's), and steering is vague (again like all mkiv's).
CTR - undoubtably a focused drivers car. Superb seats, engine, gearbox - cheap everything else. Not a relaxed drive.
After experience of friends type-r's (integra), and the reports I've heard on the civic and even S2000 (which i would love to own), the vtec engines are awesome in performance at the top end, but are just not flexible like vw engines. Again, I can fully appreciate they are appealing to a different driving style. The torque figure low down is very little, so if you can live with everything else in terms of trim, looks, etc, it comes down to driveability, and your daily commute...