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Was driving somewhere last night and there was a Civic Type R in front, then a few lorries etc. Pulled onto dual carriage way and I knew what he was going to do, he put his foot down to get past the waggons etc.

So for a laugh I thought I'd see if I could sort of keep up ... this provoked him into keeping his foot nailed, he looked shocked in his rear view mirror when he realised he was hardly pulling away! Only a few car lengths could he gain!! I was shocked too, thought the thing would leave me for dead!

You could tell he was nailing it as when he changed gear you could see the back end go down and you could tell he was changing gear as quickly as possible!

Anyway, had to slow down for a big motorway round about foot down through that, again he pulled a couple of car lenghts ahead before going through a couple of sweeping bends where we could use both carriage ways! I took a better line through them and caught him back up!

I thought I was going to go past him but he pulled out infront of me so I had to go on the other side! I thought I'd out braked him then but he was actually going right so had to brake a lot more!

Actually cut him up a little on the round about (oops!!!) and he beeped at me! I have the standard wheels on and was understeering ever closer to the kerb with all four tyres squeeling! Acceleration is quite a lot better with little 15's on but grip and body roll isn't!

One disadvantage he had was he had his girlfriend in, so that was extra weight and she was probably telling him to slow down all the time! Don't think he was taking much notice though, I just hope they saw my TDi badge when I got infront of them on round about, he should have done it was close enough!

Bit dodgy really but these things happen! Impressive that a standard GTTDi 130 can more or less keep up with a Civic Type R though! I've read posts like this before and thought they were complete rubbish but now I've seen it first hand! Given a 150, I think I would have gone past him! However, if I had the Civic and he had the Golf, I reckon I'd have been long gone! I've never driven one but they're meant to be excellent.

I've got a lot more respect for my "tracktor" as my mates call it though, in the last week It blitzed a Leon Cupra (dodgy driver maybe?) did 0-60 in 8.9 sec (and possibly could do better) and kept up with a 200bhp Civic Type R!
 

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I know the 130 is a fast car (has a lot less lag than a 150!!) but I think if he wanted to he could have put up a better performance. Perhaps he wasn't in vtec? 0-100 mph a type R is a split second behind an R32 and it has a slightly better power to weight.

I know they don't have the torque but its just a case of knocking it down a few gears (very quick to do in that box). The faster you go the less the massive torque matters. I know that not a lot happens sub Vtec and u really have to nail every gear change to get the advantage. Most Type R drivers reckon the quoted time of 0-60 is on the conservative side.

Still it sounds like your car is making on the healthy side of 130BHP!!
 

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haha awesome, i just wish i could have seen his face. Perhaps like you said may have been the driving but at the end of the day keeping with him in a standard 130 is an achievement in itself :D
 

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He obviously wasn't going as hard as he could have.

A PD130 is no match for a CTR, anyone who thinks it is, is severely deluded.

The nature of the vtec engine means it needs to be shown very little
sympathy to get power out of it - many drivers don't/won't do this to
their car.
 

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Slightly off topic, I know someone who has an S2000.

Its got 150 lbs/ft of torque and almost 240 BHP - its almost the opposite torque and power to my TDI 150.

From low revs range nothing happens and you wonder if it really is that fast and then all hell brakes loose when it hits vtec its a neck straining top end. The gear ratios are really low to compensate for the lack of low speed torque. If you don't vtec its just like any other 2.0 na petrol and doesn't feel fast. Fantasic gearbox too.
 

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Another CTR vs GT TDi thread! Goody [:D]

My mate has a GT TDi 130 and while it is quick, it would never keep up with a Civic Type R. I know this for various reasons therefore I doubt the guy was trying.

My car when standard had 180bhp from its AUQ 1.8T engine and it would pull away from his PD TDi 130 no bother. A Civic Type R would pull away from my standard 1.8T no bother.

Mapped 150PD TDi 0-100mph

Mapped 1.8T 0-100mph

The second car (mine) is not much faster than a standard Civic Type R and is like this against a 230bhp version.

Therefore, it is unlikely he was trying dude.
 

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In reality you would need to be remapped for any chance to keep up anyway at all no way standard.. i know somebody who often played with one and his PD130 was remapped and the type R could only pull 2 car lenghts at 3 figure speeds, when i was just remapped i could always give them a good race with feck all in it. With my current mods i dont have any problems with them , im a at least as fast as one but still takes a hybrid turbo to pull it off.
 

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As above my remapped 115 is noticably quicker than a standard 130, and my mates type R is in a different league both speed and handling wise.

Maybe it was a type S there a bit slower or a 2.0 with a body kit
 

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In reality you would need to be remapped for any chance to keep up anyway at all no way standard.. i know somebody who often played with one and his PD130 was remapped and the type R could only pull 2 car lenghts at 3 figure speeds, when i was just remapped i could always give them a good race with feck all in it. With my current mods i dont have any problems with them , im a at least as fast as one but still takes a hybrid turbo to pull it off.
Aye, they are fast cars the Civic Type R's. When chipped and exhausted they are faster still, but their biggest asset is their weight or comparative lack of it. I would love a run in your motor Micky - Q motor's are us! Lol [y]
 

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It was definitely a Type R, otherwise an excellent replica! But if it was any other Civic, it wouldn't have pulled away from me.

The way the car was reacting, you could tell he was trying, maybe he wasn't trying hard enough, like people have said, you really do need to keep them in the power band. He pulled away slightly, 5 car lengths maybe up to 120 then backed off so I just followed. Then he pulled away a bit again after round about but not much, not like you would expect. Maybe he was a gear higher than he should have been. The way he took the corners, kept looking in his rear view mirror and the girl in passenger seat kept looking around I think he was trying.

Anyone that's driven that type of car knows it's pretty easy to get bogged down in a gear, then it's hard to pull out a lead again if that happens. I know they are 200bhp but only about 200 Nm torque too. The golf has max torque of 310Nm so that advantage has got to play some part somewhere along the line.

Anyway, I am just letting people know what happened. On previous posts like this I was the first to display my scepticism and try to think why. But I bet more people will find this also.

I find it hard to believe he wasn't trying though, I think if anyone here was in the car at the time, they would think the same! Maybe he could have done better and it was down to his poor driving, but if most people are in that situation they would try, what's the point of half trying at getting overtaken!

I know this is a pretty childish thing to do anyway but I guess it's just adrenalin!
 

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Slightly off topic, I know someone who has an S2000.

Its got 150 lbs/ft of torque and almost 240 BHP - its almost the opposite torque and power to my TDI 150.

From low revs range nothing happens and you wonder if it really is that fast and then all hell brakes loose when it hits vtec its a neck straining top end. The gear ratios are really low to compensate for the lack of low speed torque. If you don't vtec its just like any other 2.0 na petrol and doesn't feel fast. Fantasic gearbox too.
LOL - takes me back [:D]

I owned an S2000, 156 lb/ ft at 7500 rpm 237 BHP at 8200rpm. Red line at 9000 and limiter kicks in just after.

Low revs is below 5000rpm, at 6000 rpm you then have 3000+ rpm of rip snorting fun to come & the gearing is perfect to drop back into the peak torque then top power.

Its only as fast as a 2.0 MX5 to 60 if you change up @ <6000rpm, you have to be in the zone and then its faster than 300+ EVOSUBS, its not a car to amble in except when you are posing with the roof down, catch it at 4000rpm and a 1.6 focus will whizz past, unless you drop 2 cogs. Simple as...

6th gear pulls 19 mph /1000 rev.

6th gear in current PD pulls 35ish/1000 rev

This is how its (S2000) so quick in the gears and to 60 mph (tested 5.6s & one none clutch test in the US managed 5.4s (one cog swap).

Its not one for lazy bastards. Its not all about torque but it compensates for its lack of with the short ratios.

Guessing the CTR is much in the same vein but doesn't have a retractable roof to enjoy yourself when the weather as is..

Best gearbox I've ever come across, allowing lightening changes. Only sold because of second kid....
 

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Yeah I suppose a Type S or 2 litre would be a fair match, they are 158bhp I think. 99.999% sure it was an R though, honsest, it would have been cheaper for him to buy an R if this one wasn't!

Stop spoiling my fun lol!!

I will have to try a Type R, always wanted one as I still think that's what a hot hatch is all about!
 

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lol I wanted an S2000 even more but never bit the bullet and bought one! Then it was too late, split up with girlfriend .. she moved out and hence stopped paying rent! Got back together, had a kid so now can't charge her rent, and need more than 2 seats!

DOH!
 

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Try 1/4 mile racing at a drag strip. You will be sure that you are against a CTR there and that the person driving will be giving it full beans [;)]
 

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lol then I really would get blitzed! My mate in his 206 gti beat me at Croft on Sat 0-60 8.2 seconds compared to my 8.9. Also, my other mate in a 20 year old, standard, poorly Escort RS turbo beat me with a time of 8.8 seconds. I could possibly have done better with traction control off but I only had 2 runs and forgot! On the second run I gave it too much in first and the TCS just stopped me going anywhere!

On the motorway though, I went past the Escort easily at about 100 and would have gone past the peugoet at about 115mph too if he had moved over!

A lot of petrol cars are quick up to 80 ish but are seriously lacking when you put them in 4th gear, which is where the diesel comes into its own.

Would still rather have a petrol any day but the diesel didn't disgrace itself by any means!
 

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Hi,

I haven't bothered reading most of the posts but here's my 2p!....

I have driven a Type R more times than i can remeber (as one of my mates had one before he brought his s3) so know them pretty well.

There are 3 reasons why you beat him or why it was close, I can't actually remeber what the outcome of your race was....

1. He wasn't racing.

2. His car is knackered.

3. It was a Civic S (look similar) especially at break neck speeds. [;)]

There is no way in this world that your car could stand a chance, i've raced an r32 and beat that in a type r.

Don't mean to piss on your bonfire but i couldnt hold it!
 

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I didn't beat him, he could only seem to pull about 5 car lengths or so ahead up to 120mph, then he backed off. He booted it again on next stretch pulled away a little but I had a slightly better line round a bend and caught him up to within a few car lengths.

It definitely didn't look like an S ... i've seen enough Type R's and S to know what they are, I was going to buy one once. I doubt it was knackered but it could have been. It definitely looked as though he was racing, otherwise why didn't he just either let me past or blow me into the dust.

Maybe he was just changing up early ... possible I suppose. I wouldn't have if I was him but then maybe he was more mature! He maybe wasn't giving it his all due to his girlfriends influence!
 
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