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I have been using a GeoVision CCTV system with 4 cameras. I am slowly getting fed up with the interface of the system, and the fact the PC it runs on I cant really use for much else. So I am looking for a standalone CCTV DVR unit, probably with 6 camera ports, PTZ control, minimum 160gb hard disk, and a network interface for remote viewing/backing up etc.

I want a solid performer, but on a budget, any reccomendations.
 

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Right for that you need a honeywell / silent witness GYYR
DVMS unit, it is by far and away the best DVR for CCTV purposes
out there, and it can take upto 4x400 gb IDE drives and is DIY
upgradeable unlike competeitors versions I run 18 of them and they are
excellent, they come in 8 and 16 way are networkable and cost from ?800
i WILL TRY TO GET YOU A PRICE asap
 

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Right for that you need a honeywell / silent witness GYYR
DVMS unit, it is by far and away the best DVR for CCTV purposes
out there, and it can take upto 4x400 gb IDE drives and is DIY
upgradeable unlike competeitors versions I run 18 of them and they are
excellent, they come in 8 and 16 way are networkable and cost from ?800
i WILL TRY TO GET YOU A PRICE asap
I am a CCTV engineer, and I would just like to agree that
the Honeywell units are good units.

<o:p></o:p>One thing I would just like to point out though, from memory
they do have remote control functionality but you need client based software to
view it, so if you ever wanted to go into an internet caf? and view it they
would not allow you to install any client software onto the systems.

<o:p></o:p>This would not be a problem if you want to view it from
home/work but just something to remember if you want to view it abroad.
 

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<?xml:namespace prefix = o /><o:p></o:p>One thing I would just like to point out though, from memory they do have remote control functionality but you need client based software to view it, so if you ever wanted to go into an internet caf? and view it they would not allow you to install any client software onto the systems.

<o:p></o:p>This would not be a problem if you want to view it from home/work but just something to remember if you want to view it abroad.
The only 'portable' device that I would like to be able to view on is my PDA, however, the other times I want to view whats going on/gone on is from either my desk at work, or round my inlaws. You are right to mention it though, the GeoVision can install software (permission depending) on the PC without carrying a disk.

Plus I am in the market for replacing a camera that broke the other day. A B&W would suffice, that has a 8 or 12mm lens on it (prefer 12) and is IR sensitive. I would also like a good value for money (cheap) IR illuminator for it with a relatively wide flood on it. This is for outdoor use.
 

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The DVR systems we use have their own internal webserver, all
the control functionality and live viewing / playing back recorded data is done
threw java, so any device with a java capable web browser can control the
system, even with the highest security, we also do devices with 2TB of storage,
that is 2,000GB.

As to your camera, at the end of the day you do get what you
pay for, try and go for a Sony chip, imo they are the best, in your case the Sony
exview would be a good start.<o:p> </o:p>

Hope that helps.
 

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I've been looking at setting up a pc based dvr system, but unsure where to go as prices vary wildly.  Need 4 internal cams and 2 external, and the pc will be just for cctv.  Any recommendations.  Got a budget of around 1200 for all camera's/pc/dvr card. cabling won't be an issue as i'm having the place re-wired anyway.
 

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HardeepG, I would recomened steering clear of the PC route. I have got experience of this, hence trying to move to a dedicated DVR rather than a PC. PC there is much more to go wrong and crash. A proper DVR is probably going to cost less than a pc and DVR card.

The DVR box is virtually plug and play I believe, and doesnt take up much more room than a typical home DVD player or video recorder.
 

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I've been looking at setting up a pc based dvr
system, but unsure where to go as prices vary wildly. Need 4
internal cams and 2 external, and the pc will be just for cctv.
Any recommendations. Got a budget of around 1200 for all
camera's/pc/dvr card. cabling won't be an issue as i'm having the place
re-wired anyway.
If possible stay well clear of PC based DVR cards, if you
think about it, when was the last time your pc locked up, or had to download a
new virus update or a quick patch to fix a recently discovered vulnerability,
then add a DVR card that will eat up a lot of system recourses, and also mean
leaving your PC on 24/7 and eating away at your own hard drive space.

<o:p></o:p>With your budget of ?1,200 you will be able to get a very
decent system, try to stay well clear of budget systems as they tend to use
CMOS based cameras and they are terrible, you are looking for a CCD lens
camera, with auto iris and if possible vari focal.

<o:p></o:p>As a rule of thumb, on an external 4 camera system you are
looking at around 1GB per day, although most systems are motion detect they
cannot tell between the trees moving and some scum bag driving off in your
pride and joy, so they tend to record any motion.

I hope this helps someone.
 

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I'm looking at using a pc solely for cctv.  I have found a p4 3ghz HT, 250gb hdd, 1gb ram, 17inch flatscreen pc for ?500 inc vat and del (DELL).  8 ch 50fps DVR card for ?150.  Will this do the job, or am i missing out something.  Just the cameras on top (?30 for dome cameras and ?90 for external bullet style with infra red led)
 

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I'm looking at using a pc solely for cctv.
I have found a p4 3ghz HT, 250gb hdd, 1gb ram, 17inch flatscreen pc for
?500 inc vat and del (DELL). 8 ch 50fps DVR card for ?150.
Will this do the job, or am i missing out something. Just the
cameras on top (?30 for dome cameras and ?90 for external bullet style
with infra red led)
8 Channels and 50FPS? Avoid that like the plague m8!

50FPS is spread across 8 channels so 50 / 8 = 6.25FPS per
channel, in other words very very jumpy.

For best results you are looking at around 25FPS per
channel, so in your case 25FPS X 8 = 200FPS

The spec of the system is ok, but why spend that amount of
money when you can get a dedicated DVR unit, for around the same price?

<o:p></o:p>I can only talk from experience, I sell and install CCTV and
have been doing so for some time, I would not recommend a PC DVR card
to anyone.Use a dedicated unit to a dedicated task, a PC is a PC not a
CCTV system, there are always going to be compromises.
 

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The DVR boxes i've seen are 25fps across 4 camera, at around ?400 for the unit, so i'll need two of these for my six camera's  plus another ?150 for a monitor.  I need to run 6 camera's and seen some 8fps footage which seems ok.  What fps dvr boxes are available for around ?700. 
 

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hardeepg what do you want to use the unit for I run my units at
25 fps per cchannel in a retail enviroment and sometime that aint
enough.

PS guys I have 20 hardly used timelapse VCRs for sale....... cheap
 

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<?xml:namespace prefix = o /><o:p></o:p>I can only talk from experience, I sell and install CCTV and have been doing so for some time, I would not recommend a PC DVR card to anyone.Use a dedicated unit to a dedicated task, a PC is a PC not a CCTV system, there are always going to be compromises.
You are very correct here, being a current user of a PC based DVR, I am trying to get away from it. I am not going to bust a gut, I am happy to wait and find the unit that suits my needs best, but the one thing I am wanting, is a higher FPS, as the card that I have has 60 across all cameras, so that is 15 per cam. Thankfully you can adjust the rate in the software, but for some applications, its not fast enough. 5 fps is quick enough on my front door, to see who comes by, but I want more than 15 on the cameras that look over the cars, to catch anyone actually doing things to cars. Thats why I am going dedicated DVR and away from PC.

Hardeep, Spud talks a great deal of sence. There is less to maintain, and it will be far more robust than a PC system.

My budget really for a DVR is around 500max, although it must be able to control PTZ, and have remote capability through a network, 6 heads minimum and 160gb disc minimum. Tall order I suppose for 500 bungoes! lol.
 

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Thanks for the advice guys, but could someone point me in the right direction, as it seem like its gonna cost me well over 2grand for what i'm being told i need.  Can i just bung in a 200fps card (?350) which will give me 25fps.  I only need to see people in a restaurant, there's really nothing to nick, apart from the till.  I mean, you can imagine someone trying to smuggle out a kebab!!  Just need to id people rather than catch em in the act.  i think i'm gonna have to go see a pc based system in action, to see how bad it really is. 
 

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Thanks for the advice guys, but could someone
point me in the right direction, as it seem like its gonna cost me well
over 2grand for what i'm being told i need. Can i just bung in a
200fps card (?350) which will give me 25fps. I only need to see
people in a restaurant, there's really nothing to nick, apart from the
till. I mean, you can imagine someone trying to smuggle out a
kebab!! Just need to id people rather than catch em in the
act. i think i'm gonna have to go see a pc based system in
action, to see how bad it really is.
Now that you have said you are running the system in a
retail environment, your whole needs change.

The problem with DVR is that ?potentially? the footage could
be altered as it?s in a digital format; you will really need a DVR unit with
watermarking or using an MD5 checksum to make sure the footage has not been altered.

If you do not have this, if you ever tried to get a
conviction from the footage you might get caught out and the footage could be
rubbished and thrown out.

Most dedicated DVR units have this built-in.
 
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