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Anyone see car wars last night, so many accidents caused or nearly caused by police chasing unnecessarily.....and the worst was the dumb d1ckhead on the training course overtaking the jag on a blind bit of road and nearly causing a serious crash. Then the guy in the volvo who crashed after that ginger cop in the audi chased him totally needlessly (why cant they just report them for not stopping, then prosecute later instead of chasing??).

The problem is that the police chasing have to drive as badly as the people their chasing in order to keep up, this puts other road uisers at risk as was so blatantly shown in last nights programme. The amount of times the cop car nearly crashed/took-out other cars was shocking.

Dont get me wrong, these people are scum, and yes need to be punished. However If my car was stolen, i wouldnt want police cars chasing it to try to get it back, because that would almost certainly end in it getting totalled. Surely they can just track them either using the helicopter, or GPS or something. I dont understand the need to chase them with police cars. Also what is worrying, is how dumb the coppers are! Listen to them in the interview bits, they can hardly string a sentence together!
 

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This is going to turn into one of those yes they are no they're not type threads again having a go at the police...

The problem with such a "liberalist do good attitude" of oh its ok we can track the car and get it back later part is that you are not catching the criminals, so they go out and commit more crime etc etc, and what if the person who is in the car being chased is a serious criminal? There are so many variables to these things that the tv program does not explain, I think that im correct in saying that a lot of police forces have policies that will call off a chase if it becomes too dangerous.

The problem is not with the police force it is with our innadequate legal system, I personally think that it needs a total reform we need to see harder sentencing and I think that we should have some sort prisioner based workforce! I also thought about the problem that we have with overcrowding could be solved by having a perminant 24h rotating prisoner workforce, 12 hrs on 12 hours off ... get them working on the road networks or something

Personally I think that the traffic officers that have to drive in fast persuits are brave, as they have to drive in such a manner that puts their own life in danger too, and how can you make such an assumption of their intelect based upon a response in an interview, remember that they police officers not actors.. perhaps not everyone finds it easy to talk to a camera!
 

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They probably have to think about what they're saying too, with regards to particular cases, so this could slow you down and appear "stupid".
 

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I think that chases are dangerous but I think they are needed, you cant presume that the offencive car is being driven by the registered owner. If they just got the numberplate and sent the papers to the registered address and found the car was stolen or the owner was un-aware they've created another problem for themselves and the car owner. Chasing in a helicopter would be the 'ideal' solution, but it's VERY expensive to run a heli and the fuel runs out long before a car would. Also things like bad weather can stop heli's getting involved.

Maybe they could come up with some kind of tracer dart or device they could fire at the car at the start of a chase. Then the cops could follow at a safer speed and distance, even take shortcuts or figure out where they're heading and cut them off. If the baddies think they've lost the cops surely they'll ditch the car and go on foot.... bring in the dogs! Lets face it all they do is sniff cocaine all day!! ok.. sniff FOR cocaine.

So the whole tracker fired from some kind of gun out of the window of a speeding police car does sound a bit 'james bond'y. But I think its a good idea AND it's well within our technology and cant be too expensive either (less than 2 written off cars and a lawsuit if a chase goes bad!)

Am I just getting carried away!

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I have no problem with the traffic cops at all. Not every car has tracker fiited and there are not enough choppers to track every piece of scum that has knicked a car, robbed a bank or burgled a house. You can't let criminals get away with commiting crimes just in case the police might get into a crash.

I think the cop in the Audi chasing the Volvo did a great job. Having said that the guy on the training course did seem to make quite a bad mistake, not sure he should have passed that.
 

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I like the device the Americans have that kills the ECU by an EMP (Electro Magnetic Pulse),it is either delivered by a trolley that they reel out under the car being chased,and it raises a probe to the underside of the car to deliver the pulse,or I'm sure I saw one that was delivered by something like a crossbow.It is of course totally useless on a carburetted engine,but I guess thats progress.

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Then the guy in the volvo who crashed after that ginger cop in the audi chased him totally needlessly (why cant they just report them for not stopping, then prosecute later instead of chasing??).
How do you prosecute someone later in a stolen car? (I assume it was stolen - if you have nothing to fear, then why run from the police).

I agree with your point ref the dicey overtake, and the guy should have backed off, rather than have kept going. However, its easy to say this without any adrenaline flowing!

Helicopters are definitely the way forward for a more 'relaxed' pursuit (with greater effectiveness), but the costs are great, and ground units will always be needed. Perhaps the police force could afford more 'copters if those perpetrating these mindless crimes weren't draining undeserved benefits from the state......
 

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Never saw the programme, but IMO, the Police have every right to find out why an offending vehicle has done something wrong. If a vehicle never stopped, maybe there is a reason for this like;

1) They have robbed a bank

2) Done a burglary

3) Kidnapped someone

4) Drug lord on the run

5) Escaped criminal

etc, etc.

I have no problem with Police chases, but their every move should be filmed and monitored and any breach of rules and regulations dealt with so stiffly that the Police would never think twice about breaking their guidelines. That plus better stiffer laws and deterrents as mentioned above would all be better though.

It has been said loads of times, but a ot of people, myself included, would rather see more traffic police and less cameras. There is a lot more respect to be gained by getting stopped by the plod and having them explain what you did wrong, why they stopped you and if applicable, give you a right bollocking.
 

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Anyone see car wars last night, so many accidents caused or nearly caused by police chasing unnecessarily.....and the worst was the dumb d1ckhead on the training course overtaking the jag on a blind bit of road and nearly causing a serious crash.? Then the guy in the volvo who crashed after that ginger cop in the audi chased him totally needlessly (why cant they just report them for? not stopping, then prosecute later instead of chasing??).

The problem is that the police chasing have to drive as badly as the people their chasing in order to keep up, this puts other road uisers at risk as was so blatantly shown in last nights programme. The amount of times the cop car nearly crashed/took-out other cars was shocking.?

Dont get me wrong, these people are scum, and yes need to be punished. However If my car was stolen, i wouldnt want police cars chasing it to try to get it back, because that would almost certainly end in it getting totalled. Surely they can just track them either using the helicopter, or GPS or something. I dont understand the need to chase them with police cars. Also what is worrying, is how dumb the coppers are! Listen to them in the interview bits, they can hardly string a sentence together!??
Firstly by NOT pursuing then you send out the message that if you dont stop when asked to do so then its ok because the Police wont follow ????? Is that a good idea ?? How would we catch anybody ????Secondly regarding the comment " Police chasing have to drive as badly as the people thier chasing"........? Having done the Police advanced/pursuit courses i can tell you that the Police driving manner is far far higher than the scumbag driving the nicked car !! ?Each officer is accountable for his/her actions on every occasion.If that officer had driven dangerously on his driving course i can asure you he wouldnt have passed and probably have his standard driving permit taken away !? It has been done before that i know of in Lancashire.??How you going to report someone who doesnt stop when you dont know who they are ?? And when it goes to court they say "it wasnt me driving" ????I agree there is technology available like trackers etc but do you think the Police will get high tech gadgets like that ??? In my experience the answer is NO !!Just my passionate biased opinion.? lol
 

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Sorry to sound personal danw19...... but this is the kind of do gooder liberal attitude that's sending this country down the f!"cking pan. [:mad:] The police have a job to do. Let them get on with it with out putting more hurdles in front of them.
 

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Not got any problems with them at all.

Only accident ive ever had caused by one, was in my pants after i realised it been playing with an unmarked Focus ST TDCI yesterday [:D]

Seriously though I dont understand why people have a problem with the police speeding (While on duty) making minor traffic violations if it saves someones life.
 

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a police chase passed me the other day in Levinshulme, the criminal nearly wiped the back of my car out ! What would happen insurance wise if you got hit by a fleeing con ?
 

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It would get paid out by your insurance who have a communal fund for cases like this.? Sometimes even the Police insurance pay out as its classed as a police accident because of a pursuit
 

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I don't think I'd fancy my car back if it had been hit by an EMF probe. Could you imagine it on a top range Merc some of those have over 50 ECU modules in them.

It is always a fine line when it comes to Police chases and at the end of the day the guy on the ground needs to decide if the chase is getting too dangerous.

Was I the only one that was shouting serves you right to the criminal that crashed into the inocent driver when he was sitting hurt in the car. The commentry at the end said that all he got done for was driving with out insurance (or did I hear it wrong). Should have been GBH or attempted manslaughter as he knew the risks when he ran from the Police.

They need to apply proper deterants to these people so that they are put off from running in the first place and make sure that the offence if they do run is severe enough to match the risks that thier action put the ordinary public in.

Just my 2p worth.
 

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Okay maybe i came over a bit strong with the liberalist attitude, i admit there is no other feasible, cost effective way of catching caqr theives unless they are chased/persued. I agree that the problem stems from our legal system in a way, was watching a programme on bravo last night where a runaway truck thief driving insanely and caused an accident, he overturned the lorry after crashing into a car and was caught, and given 16 years in prison. That is what these people should get over here, not a few months and some community service or something.
 

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I thought this was going to be a joke at first!! It's difficult to believe that people actually have this sort of attitude....it amazes me. [:S]

In the case of the accident with the Volvo (stolen, if I remember correctly?) the police car was quite a distance behind the volvo and had virtually stopped as he was aware of a vehicle in front of him that was signalling for a right hand turn. The volvo continued to race off, at speed, and he lost control. It was a superb example of the volvo driver's poor driving skills, not the police's.

I can't see how a vehicle / driver can be arrested at a later time rather than at the time, for the same reasons most people have already said above (in most cases I'd guess that the vehicle isn't registered to the driver). Tracking by helicopter would be a huge expense and, given the small number available, I'd think it unlikely to be a feasible option.

We need improvements in our legal system in terms of punishment, bringing this element of our society to justice, and not allowing them to continue their illegalities!!

Importantly, what we should be doing, in my opinion, is supporting the police and condemning the criminals rather than supporting the criminals and condeming the police!!
 

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I don't think I'd fancy my car back if it had been hit by an EMF probe. Could you imagine it on a top range Merc some of those have over 50 ECU modules in them.

It is always a fine line when it comes to Police chases and at the end of the day the guy on the ground needs to decide if the chase is getting too dangerous.

Was I the only one that was shouting serves you right to the criminal that crashed into the inocent driver when he was sitting hurt in the car. The commentry at the end said that all he got done for was driving with out insurance (or did I hear it wrong). Should have been GBH or attempted manslaughter as he knew the risks when he ran from the Police.

They need to apply proper deterants to these people so that they are put off from running in the first place and make sure that the offence if they do run is severe enough to match the risks that thier action put the ordinary public in.

Just my 2p worth.
Not sure what programme it was, Cops on Camera maybe, but there was a police chase involving a stolen Subaru in America, anyway the owner tried to sell his 'infamous' car on ebay when he got it back - but failed !!
 

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[:D]Funniest/best bit was the scrote in the Volvo wimpering when he was trapped[:D] Bet they would have left him a while if the cameras weren't there, I know I would have. I did feel sorry for the un-suspecting driver in the other car though. I wouldn't fault the copper as he was a good distance off due to the car turning right.

I agree we need to move on in the tech dept, so as to minimise the ammount of chase's and accidents/deaths etc of innocent drivers/pedestrians, and with GTI blue about deterants, but like ASBO's, if you have had a police chase, your looked up to in the scrote community.

They are all deserve everthing they get, be it arrested or seriously injured.

Back to the topic........

I think it's the scrote's that cause the accidents as they are incapable of driving safely at speed, over cook it and take out a regular Joe, yeah that copper was pushing it overtaking the jag, but I bet he knew/wished he should have let off and pull in rather than not loose the lead car, after-all it was only training.

My 2p

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Firstly WOW!!!!!! Very refreshing to read some pro-police comments for a change.

As mentioned earlier, various forces have differing pursuit policies. West Mercias pathetic policy is...... No don't chase anybody.

If an officer in West Mercia has a "fail to stop" with a vehicle and is able to identify the driver, it will be instantly called off. If the diver is unidentifiable then the police driver must allow the pursuit to be taken over by an advanced driver. If it is wet or the pursuit takes place through built up areas, FDI will automatically call it off. While I can (sadly) see the reasoning behind some of the reasons, it really does make my blood boil when you are behind two little scrotes on a moped travelling at no more than 40mph, riding on kerbs and across fields and you get told to stand down in case they injure themelves.

let them crash I say. If they damage their bike tough, if they hurt themselves tough, if they scratch the panda.......not the end of the world. At least their will be two offenders in the cells and before the courts.

I didn't watch the programme in question. Was it the Merseyside officers in the unmarked Audi belonging to the specialist unit?
 
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