Can anyone point me in the right direction of which clutch to buy for my 1.8 turbo golf... Ive seen the ECS one for $399 dollars but it will cost another hundred pounds to deliver to england.. Can anyone tell me wot they have bought and where from for a reasonable price thanx
Best clutch to buy
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There are a number of clutch option available, but if your taking the uprated route then be prepared to pay around ?500 for a decent clutch and flywheel setup. I take you want uprated btw?
There is currently an ECS group buy in the Group buys forum that one of our Banner Advertisers is running - you could see if you can get the clutch kit cheaper through them.
There are a number of clutch option available, but if your taking the uprated route then be prepared to pay around ?500 for a decent clutch and flywheel setup. I take you want uprated btw?
There is currently an ECS group buy in the Group buys forum that one of our Banner Advertisers is running - you could see if you can get the clutch kit cheaper through them.
Ive gone for the Sachs OE Clutch. They have been tested and run up to 285BHP and at the moment i cant stop smiling!!! The clutch has been slipping even when i first bought the car... After i got it chipped it just made it worse... It should be ok and i saves the ?400 for the one i was going to buy!!! Sachs (Spelling? lol) ?140 i think it was?
Hope this helps?
Wez
Hope this helps?
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Wez can you elaborate on that please - I am looking to uprate the clutch on my TDI possibly and have had a look at the Sachs on-line catalogue. http://www.zf-trading.co.uk/uk_sachs_en
The PD130/150 clutch is here http://webcat.sachs.de/index.asp?SPR=4
Are you saying the Sachs OE clutch is the same as that fitted in the factory? The catalogue implies it is. If so, you are saying you renewed the clutch and everything has been cool, but it's not uprated?
The PD130/150 clutch is here http://webcat.sachs.de/index.asp?SPR=4
Are you saying the Sachs OE clutch is the same as that fitted in the factory? The catalogue implies it is. If so, you are saying you renewed the clutch and everything has been cool, but it's not uprated?
Wez, I replaced my car with the Sach clutch, about 4 months ago and it was fine after I got it Upsoluted, until last weekend, when it started slipping. Took it back to my mechanic and the clutch had cracked in four places, where it couldn't cope with the additional power.
That doesn`t sound too good mate.. thik i`ll leave the standard one alone don`t wanna fit one and then have to pay out for another one.. Has anyone bought and fitted the helix kit from stealth racing is it any good.. I`m not planning major power at the moment just a chip exhaust and stuff like thaat..
Reflex - It is just the standard Clutch mate but aparently it has been tested by a tuning co' up to 285bhp. Ill find out who and post it up.... I just thought its worth a go before forking out best part of 500 quid for an uprated one.
Cage - Hope you still enjoying it as much as i am!! Thats harsh about your clutch mate i just hope mine will be ok. If it isnt ill be straight back to have the black diamond one put on...
How many miles did it take till it was slipping?
Wez
Cage - Hope you still enjoying it as much as i am!! Thats harsh about your clutch mate i just hope mine will be ok. If it isnt ill be straight back to have the black diamond one put on...
How many miles did it take till it was slipping?
Wez
I wnet through three Black diamond clutches in 15k on my MK2, they are crap! They uprate the driven plate with hefty springs, but the friction plate is a chap and nasty thing, (oem supposedly). All that happens is there is a massive force fromt he hefty springs when taking up drive, which after a few K, rips the centre out of the friction disc! Black diamond repalced it twice, but it costs as much as the clutch to have it fitted, so I still lost out!
I now run a standard VAG clutch in the MK2, its lasted 10k and is smooth as silk, no slippage touch wood! I would not waste your money on the Black Diamond stuff, stay standard or go for the helix / G60 kit or I think Neuspeed do one too, including a flywheel.
I now run a standard VAG clutch in the MK2, its lasted 10k and is smooth as silk, no slippage touch wood! I would not waste your money on the Black Diamond stuff, stay standard or go for the helix / G60 kit or I think Neuspeed do one too, including a flywheel.
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Been looking at the stage 1 from ECS here maybe as part of the current GB.
http://www.ecstuning.com/stage/edpd/pagebuild_v2.cgi?make=Volkswagen&engine=TDI&model=Golf%20IV&submodel=&category=Drivetrain&subcategory=Clutch
Anyone got any further comments?
http://www.ecstuning.com/stage/edpd/pagebuild_v2.cgi?make=Volkswagen&engine=TDI&model=Golf%20IV&submodel=&category=Drivetrain&subcategory=Clutch
Anyone got any further comments?
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Quote: posted by NikB on 15/03/2004 08:06:09
I reckon you'd need a Stage 3 for a TDi if you look at the torque they're designed to handle.
The way I looked at it, I only get slip on rare occasions and think this is the same for most people with tuned 130s and 150s. The Stage 1 kit claims 20-30% more clamping power so I thought this was a reasonable increase over standard. It is meant to be tested and good for 275lb/ft* and most people will be getting up to 290lb/ft. Without breaking the bank, this might be a sensible solution.
* If they are happy to rate this for 275 then you could assume a margin for error built-in?
I reckon you'd need a Stage 3 for a TDi if you look at the torque they're designed to handle.
The way I looked at it, I only get slip on rare occasions and think this is the same for most people with tuned 130s and 150s. The Stage 1 kit claims 20-30% more clamping power so I thought this was a reasonable increase over standard. It is meant to be tested and good for 275lb/ft* and most people will be getting up to 290lb/ft. Without breaking the bank, this might be a sensible solution.
* If they are happy to rate this for 275 then you could assume a margin for error built-in?
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This is the ECS as quoted for part of the current GB for anyone who is interested;
ECS Stage 1 Clutch with 14lb flywheel is ?361.00 inc vat
Best wishes
Richard Broadfield
JBR Performance Ltd
T: +44 (0) 1993 864739
[email protected]
ECS Stage 1 Clutch with 14lb flywheel is ?361.00 inc vat
Best wishes
Richard Broadfield
JBR Performance Ltd
T: +44 (0) 1993 864739
[email protected]
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Quote: posted by NikB on 15/03/2004 15:20:58
However the stock TDi clutch is rated to around 300lb/ft so you're gaining nothing by going with the stage 1 - that was my point. These clutches are aimed at 1.8T's which obviously don't usually produce the same torque.
OK I see what you mean Nik[^].
However the stock TDi clutch is rated to around 300lb/ft so you're gaining nothing by going with the stage 1 - that was my point. These clutches are aimed at 1.8T's which obviously don't usually produce the same torque.
OK I see what you mean Nik[^].
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Been mulling this one over regarding NikB's comments. The website gives this info;
This is our #1 selling clutch kit. Most 1.8t's will damage the stock dual mass flywheel when the clutch starts slipping. The dual mass flywheel when bought from V/W is over $500. We offer the complete kit that includes a OEM lightweight 14 steel flywheel for less than just a flywheel from V/W. This kit will retain stock like pedal charateristics along with much improved clamping force & larger diameter clutch assembly.
Lighter OEM Steel flywheel, only 14lbs versus 22 lbs of the stock 1.8T. This is not a lightened modified OEM flywheel like others.
20-30% more clamping force than stock clutch!
Faster spool-ups & more HP's!
Kit uses OEM Sachs VR6 Clutch pieces
Kit is good up to 200-250 wheel Horsepower & up to approx 275lbs of wheel torque
Excellent pedal feel, pedal retains OEM type feel
Kit includes the following parts:
Lightweight steel OEM flywheel
Sachs cluch pressure plate
Sachs clutch disc
Sach OEM throw out bearing
OEM throw out bearing
Like you say Nik, this is clearly developed for the 1.8T market but they also list the kits for the TDI. Does the TDI have a different OEM clutch to the 1.8T? If not, then the 275lb/ft mentioned above is wheel torque, which will mean the true flywheel torque will be higher due to drivetrain losses. If the ECS Stage I does have 20-30% more clamping power, surely this will cope with increased torque (as well as power) over the OEM assembly?
This is our #1 selling clutch kit. Most 1.8t's will damage the stock dual mass flywheel when the clutch starts slipping. The dual mass flywheel when bought from V/W is over $500. We offer the complete kit that includes a OEM lightweight 14 steel flywheel for less than just a flywheel from V/W. This kit will retain stock like pedal charateristics along with much improved clamping force & larger diameter clutch assembly.
Lighter OEM Steel flywheel, only 14lbs versus 22 lbs of the stock 1.8T. This is not a lightened modified OEM flywheel like others.
20-30% more clamping force than stock clutch!
Faster spool-ups & more HP's!
Kit uses OEM Sachs VR6 Clutch pieces
Kit is good up to 200-250 wheel Horsepower & up to approx 275lbs of wheel torque
Excellent pedal feel, pedal retains OEM type feel
Kit includes the following parts:
Lightweight steel OEM flywheel
Sachs cluch pressure plate
Sachs clutch disc
Sach OEM throw out bearing
OEM throw out bearing
Like you say Nik, this is clearly developed for the 1.8T market but they also list the kits for the TDI. Does the TDI have a different OEM clutch to the 1.8T? If not, then the 275lb/ft mentioned above is wheel torque, which will mean the true flywheel torque will be higher due to drivetrain losses. If the ECS Stage I does have 20-30% more clamping power, surely this will cope with increased torque (as well as power) over the OEM assembly?
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LOL perhaps someone can enlighten us. Do you get clutch slip Nik?
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