[aidan]

A couple of question;

In theory, what would be involved with retro-fitting air conditioning? (obviously easier to get a car with it already in, but just so i know whats involved)

Also, do all 'S' spec Bora's have 4 electric windows and remote locking?

 

[Mikedav]

All Boras have air conditioning but climate control (Automatic digital air con) is available as an option and standard on some higher spec models.

Four electric windows are standard, but remote c/l is not fitted to an S, thats just got your basic central locking.

If I were you, Id definetly hold out for an SE if you are looking at a used purchase - you get a ton of kit thrown in and used prices are virtually the same / very small premium. SEs get cruise, front arm rest, remote central locking, chrome dials, alloys, coloured rub strips, dipping mirror and rain sensors - as well as velour instead of cloth trim.

I was in the same boat when I was looking for my last Bora (a 1.6 SE). The S seems very basic by comparison, and the alloys / coloured bump strips make a huge difference. I was all set to buy an S but it doesnt feel special like an SE and its not much cheaper (used)

 

[aidan]

Didn't realise there was that much difference. I just had a photo of the interior of a V reg TDI S sent to me, and that has no button for air conditioning, just the longer recirculation button, has the electric sunroof instead.

Oh well, i'll keep looking thanks for the info

 

[aidan]

p.s do the SE's get the 3 spoke steering wheel?

 

[Mikedav]

Not sure what that pictures about then...I remember when I was looking at Boras I was suprised to see they all had air con - and more suprised when I found not all Golfs did! Must be have the sunroof in lieu of air con or somthing?

Yup, SE gets 3 spoke wheel. There are pictures of my old SE on my website

The Bora SE has pretty much all the toys you could want and for some odd reason is much better equipped than a Golf SE, so its my recommendation. Id actually go for it over a Sport, as theres no wood trim!

(Do note, my SE was a 1999 - before dash kits came in and before cruise was made standard. 2000+ SEs have the milled aluminium trim and cruise, which the my car above does not have, hence the black dash).

 

[aidan]

Are those seats comfier than the recaros?

I doubt i'll be able to stretch to a 2000+ model, but i'm not too worried about the cruise as i'd rarely get to use it.

Only problem is finding one in jazz blue...

 

[Mikedav]

The Recaros are firmer and more supportive - particuarly at the sides, they offer loads of supports in the corners. The SE seats were very comfortable but if you chuck it into a corner, you have to lean into it in a way you dont with a Recaro. No complaints though as a stand alone seat!

Can I ask what your budget is mate? I found this one in Fleet, Hampshire... its a 2001 for ?7k. Having said that, my old car is probably worth ?5k now, and you dont lose much by going for a 1999. I was very happy with that car.

EDIT: Whoops, I see you are after a TDI!

 

[aidan]

not entirely sure yet, i'll have to see what autotrader-day brings. I think a more comfortable set-up suits me better for the time being anyway.

I'll probably be back on this thread tomorrow morning, asking opionions on what i've seen!

 

[02 Bora]

Quote: posted by Mikedav on 14/05/2004 00:15:46

2000+ SEs have the milled aluminium trim and cruise, which the my car above does not have, hence the black dash).

Not correct, my car does not have cruise. I think it was from 2002.5 when they changed the SE steering wheel to the multi function one, that cruise may have been fitted as standard.

 

[iaincondliffe]

Also, the S has remote locking. i know cos i've just had an 04 courtesy car.

 

[Mikedav]

marc: sounds right, I remember getting a brochure for te Bora to see what Id get on mine when it arrived - brochure was 02, and so I was dissapointed when my 1999 turned out not to have cruise or the trim. So Must be 2002.5+ then.

iancondliffe have they changed that for 04 possibly? As earlier cars don't have remote locking, the two 'S' models I looked at didnt anyway. Again though I don't know what year it changed then.

(Most of my info was right...[])

 

[TigerStyle]

I would hold out for a sport version.. just so you can say you have the top model tdi..

Ive got a Bora 115pd Sport. The 'wood' interior isnt too bad, it could be alot worse. The seats look ALOT better than SE's, and are more comftable imo. Overall, the Sport model looks alot more classy than the SE version. Ive got climate, cruise, 3spoke steering etc in my 2000 bora. It cost me ?6800, 2 months ago at 70000miles. I would only go for a black or silver one, cause it will be easier to shift when you sell it.

but can someone tell me why I havent got silver rings around my dial ?

 

[broady2099]

ive got a 99 reg bora 2.0 SE and have no complains about the trim or seats except the little lean needed when chucking into a corner.

was going for the sport but then i saw the wooden bits and that put me RIGHT off it. Deffinatly DONT go for the S as Mikedav says theres just too much missing when you compare the prices.

Aircon, 3 spoke steering wheel, dimming mirror, 4 elec windows, remote central locking, alloys been pinched!!!!, height +lumbar seats etc etc etc []

 

[MagicBoy]

Quote: posted by aidan on 13/05/2004 23:54:06

A couple of question;

In theory, what would be involved with retro-fitting air conditioning? (obviously easier to get a car with it already in, but just so i know whats involved)

Also, do all 'S' spec Bora's have 4 electric windows and remote locking?

I've got an 99 1.6S.

No Aircon,

Electric windows (all round)

Electric Sunroof

Central locking (no remote)

It's an dealer demonstrator, so not sure if the Sunroof was standard.

I had an 02 2.0S as a loaner

Aircon

Electric Windows

No sunroof

Central locking (no remote)

Metal effect trim

Hateful 3 spoke steering wheel (the 99 4 spoker is much nicer)

 

[TigerStyle]

why would just the wooden parts put you off so badly. They dont look that bad !

sport has all the SE stuff but gets fogs, 16" alloys and gti interior..

 

[GreenBeast]

i believe generally it'd only have sun-roof instead of air con...unless the first owner added it as an optional extra. like mine

however i am talking about Golfs and i know that the bora SE is a lot better than the Golf SE

 

[Mikedav]

By the looks of this thread the aircon is only missing if an S has a sunroof. Pretty logical.

Tigerstyle: SEs actually get 16" Le Castellets alloys, though the early ones didn't. Mine had 16" Raves but they must have been specced by the previous owner, as SEs didnt get alloys in 1999.

In terms of Sport vs SE, I think they are much of a muchness. At the time I didnt think a Sport was worth the premium, as all you got worth having was the climate control...I didnt like the wood and Bora foglights are pointless as they are mounted too high (I have those on this one). The sports seats are worth having though...

You cant go wrong with an SE or a Sport but personally Id go SE

 

[aidan]

I had a quick look for boras the past couple of days, and i've had so little luck finding anything I may even to stray to a (cough) toledo (cough)!

I'm too poor to have the luxury of choosing the more expensive option! Still hope to get a bora, but toledo (or leon) makes sense when i'll have some change in my pocket aswell

 

[Rally_Chris]

All Boras have air conditioning

Mike, Air con was not standard on the S spec from launch in 1999, only on SE models and above. When I bought my Bora in 2000 (S/H) even the dealer tried to tell me that the 'S' had it as standard until I showed him the 2000/1 model brochure that clearly stated it was not fitted! Never mind, much egg on his face and they had to do me a better deal on an SE that had climate instead! I think that the S had a sunroof as standard instead of A/C.

Chris

 

[matt747]

Just for info; when I bought my first MKIV Golf in 99, I considered a Bora and these were the main differences between equivalent Golf and Bora specs:

S: Bora additionally had sunroof, rear headrests, 15" steel wheels.

SE: Bora had manual ac, adj lumbar in front seats, rain sensor/dim mirror, colour coded bump/door strips, 16" steel wheels

Sport/GTI(not 1.8T): Bora additionally had manual ac, adj lumbar in front seats, rain sensor/dim mirror,wood trim, 16" alloys(Golf had 15").