[Jace]

Dear Mods

As I've been issued a warning, with no reason being given why, I'm interested for how long I'm on probation.

Is there a time for which this warning applies or is it a life time warning & 3 strikes & your out ?

Maybe Im thick but it appears this isnt explained in the "Forum Rules" very well

Maybe my polls polls poll could have been a little anoying but I dont feel it was worth a warning, maybe just a friendly PM stating what I'd done wrong & to watch it.

Do the Mod have to decide who gets a warning together or can just any mod hand these out ????

Thanks

Jace[]

 

[W36 EJO]

Was wondering myself...

 

[marriedblonde]

I think Tabs is the one who gives out the warning but I may be wrong. I think the warning you guys recieved was due to other postings and not the poll about polls one.

Perhaps he thought you went a tad too far asking other forum members what their colour preference was... He did actually say that he was going to dish out warnings in that thread... Possibley not helped by certain forum members throwing thier toys out of the pram afterwards...

As for the time scale not sure, just be lucky he is kind enough to operate the 3 strikes and then your out policy. I doubt if others would have done so...

J.

 

[Chris]

The decision is made by the Admin & Moderators as a whole. It's not just a spur of the moment decision by one of us to chastise a member.

As a whole, we have been quite leniant to let go quite a number of threads that were pushing the boundries of the Forum Rules (which you do agree to on registration). Whilst we were fine with this at first, it began to spiral out of control, to the point where The Lounge was full of innappropriate topics and topics of no relevance to anyone.

On top of this, a thread which linked to another car forum incited some poor behaviour from a couple of members. Some of the posts that were made on their forum were a bit childish and were doing nothing to calm a bit of a heated argument (one which their moderators had closed). It reflects badly on us as a whole.

We felt we had to take action to quell the nature of what is developing, as Tabs' said in another thread. We do not want UK-MKIVS developing into a haven for sleazy topics and general spam. Okay, we appreciate it gave you some of a laugh.. but when word gets round to other forums, which it will, UK-MKIVS will attract the wrong kind of people... and that will only serve to irritate you, the members.

As for your warning Jace, we will remove it in due course when we feel that the rules aren't being stretched again.

Cheers

The UK-MKIVS Team.

 

[Tom R32]

Mmmmmm,

A couple of things.

I totally agree with Tabs doing what he had to do etc, it is the T&Cs of the forum so fair do's. Can I perhaps make a point though - it may not make me the most popular member but then whats new!

Would it not be fair to say that it was perhaps poor moderating that led to some of the threads getting out of hand? Please guys do not take this as anything personal - IT ISNT! My point is that they went on for a while and it was Tabs who had to step in and make clear the rules of the forum and it was not acceptable - this after some of the topics had 2-300 replies? To my recolection there was not one post from a Mod warning anyone about content? Apologies if I am wrong, but I dont remember seing any??

So - should we not have expected a mod to post telling us all to behave, and warn us all that things were going to far? Again - apologies if this did happen, I didnt see it. It seems that it was all fine and then all of a sudden (when Tabs returned) it was all unacceptable? I feel I am making a fair point?

As said - I do not wish to cause any grief, think I may have helped with enough of that already! But, I do feel that we were let to post borderline material then all of a sudden a big size 12 came in and stamped all over us.

I apologised for my part - and I mean that very sincerely, and I respect the guys who give up thier own time to moderate -I used to do it and glad I dont have to anymore! But I do feel that maybe this has all been a bit OTT - I fully understand that we dont want this forum turning into a sleazy place attracting idiots - the level of intelligence on this site is unusually high for a car forum, and as a knowledgebase it often proves invaluable......but lets not also start getting all Mary Whitehouse. Lets not forget that 70% of that poll said they were happy with the way the site was - not an idicative figure really as I think we amostly all feel the same, but something to ponder.

No offence in any way intended - I honestly mean that, I love this site as much as the next man/woman/sock... but I do feel this could have been dealt with better if it had been nipped in the bud to start with. Also seems to be a lot of people who dare not disagree with anything Tabs or the Mods say - christ guys liven up this is an open forum for expression. As said, I respect the work Tabs does and the mods and I know a lot of us do - but some of the *** kissing is nautious to read.

I know that may read bad - but I really do not want to start an argument at all, or do not mean to cause any offence.[B)]

Just my 2ps worth!

Thanks for reading guys. []

 

[Chris]

There wasn't any warning or reminder in the topic Tom, ye didn't miss it []. We felt we'd leave it for the time being as lots of folk were enjoying it (although a lot of members were noticable in their absence from said topic). If it had stayed at that and not spread further we wouldnt have a problem with it... we aren't killjoys or take this massively seriously after all! []

Take a look at The Lounge over the past few days..... the amount of crap and useless polls posted is ridiculous... it's never been this bad. Whilst we didn't really want to, we felt we had to step in to get things back to an acceptable level.

No offence taken... its just that we all have lives to live, families to look after, jobs to do... and we could do with a little common sense about certain material being posted that takes time out of our days to edit, delete or move..... see what i mean?

We're all here because we love our cars at the end of the day!!

Have fun []

 

[Jace]

Quote: posted by Tom R32 on 10/11/2004 18:12:16

Would it not be fair to say that it was perhaps poor moderating that led to some of the threads getting out of hand? Please guys do not take this as anything personal - IT ISNT! My point is that they went on for a while and it was Tabs who had to step in and make clear the rules of the forum and it was not acceptable - this after some of the topics had 2-300 replies? To my recolection there was not one post from a Mod warning anyone about content? Apologies if I am wrong, but I dont remember seing any??

So - should we not have expected a mod to post telling us all to behave, and warn us all that things were going to far? Again - apologies if this did happen, I didnt see it. It seems that it was all fine and then all of a sudden (when Tabs returned) it was all unacceptable? I feel I am making a fair point?

Also seems to be a lot of people who dare not disagree with anything Tabs or the Mods say - christ guys liven up this is an open forum for expression. As said, I respect the work Tabs does and the mods and I know a lot of us do - but some of the *** kissing is nautious to read.

I've received a PM stating that the reason for my Warning was down to my post concerning "womens fav colours", which is fair enough & I accept the fact that it was a little close to edge for some.

But as TOM R32 states above No Mod stepped in to any of the other dodgy posts that were flying about at the time..& Some posts were almost pornographic too.[:O]

Maybe it's just me but I feel like I've been the one picked out to be made an example of [B)][V]

Anyway,I'd better do some work for a change []

PS:Hope you dont mind me quoting you TOM R32, it's nice to see somebody dare speak up.

 

[NikB]

It's also the huge amount of pointless spamming you've been doing. To be honest we shouldn't need to step in people should know what's acceptable and what's not you aren't kids.

 

[Jace]

Quote: posted by NikB on 11/11/2004 11:50:43

It's also the huge amount of pointless spamming you've been doing.

Please define "Pointless spamming" for mine & the other forum members future reference.

It doesnt explain or define what is classed as spamming in the rules.

I'm not just posting this for the sake of it either, I'd like to know so in future I can avoid such things[]

 

[NikB]

Jace just stop it ok, I'm not getting drawn into this just accept you've got a warning and have done with it.

 

[gregramsey]

whats the definition of of spamming?????

polls on polls?

polls on favorite colour?

not being funny but if your gonna have a forum and have a "off the topic" post, surely it can be off the topic, ok we understand that it needs to be to certain boundarys, which im pretty sure we are all sensible enough to maintain, but feel if Jace getting warning on spamming? What about everyone else who does this?

 

[Mikedav]

The 'boundries' are based on common sense, there is no set definition. Generally if its not going to contribute something useful to the forum, its probably spamming.

If we police the rules to the letter we are branded jobsworth *** and tidying the forum becomes a full time job. So generally things are allowed to slide; only when they pose a threat to the mature and friendly image of UK MKIVs are sanctions made. This is by no means the first time - some will remember the wave of forum name changes, the 'signature picture' period and the increase in swearing. ALL were allowed to slide for quite a while before any action was taken.

 

[Tabs]

Your warning was issued for two reasons a)Topic to do with 'Colour' and b)your polls being posted one after another. We've never had to warn a genuine member due to posting, your the first and I think we've been quite lenient in the time taken to pull you up on this.

The word 'Spamming' is used in another context, it does usually infer unsolicited things being received but it does seems to have been construed over the past few years on forums as a means of describing useless posted content - or something thats unwanted, and I agree that the forum rules need to be expand upon to this affect. But come on if some of you didn't constantly push the limits then situations like this wouldn't come about. Were all here for the same reason, is it that hard that we only ask you try and keep to the rules.

Mods and Admins are not here to burst the balloon of fun, were here for very much the same reason that you all are, to share and enjoy this site. We should very rarely have to 'spring' into action, and to be honest we vary rarely do so we'd like to keep it that way.

Yes the Off Topic forum is for posting off topic material - The MK4 forum was cluttered with it at one time so thats why we opened it []. Our point is the level of pointless posting in there got to such a level were it was deemed as an annoyance, and provided overhead for us to deal with. We left it for a while due to the fact we don't feel we have to step in and put the stoppers on things like this - this time however we felt it was necessary.

Lets put all this behind us now, and concentrate on doing what we all enjoy - using the forum the ways it has been used for the past three years and continue the good name that uk-mkivs has earned []

 

[Jace]

Quote: posted by Tabs on 11/11/2004 15:31:27

Your warning was issued for two reasons a)Topic to do with 'Colour'

Yea I accept that that was a bit below the line & I'd already said sorry earlier about that last week.

b)your polls being posted one after another. We've never had to warn a genuine member due to posting, your the first and I think we've been quite lenient in the time taken to pull you up on this.

I guess I may have posted a few odd polls which not every body got, & maybe my Polls Polls Poll was a bit of a light hearted wee wee take, plus there have been many other poll posted by other members which were as worse/bad/stupid/obscene

The word 'Spamming' is used in another context, it does usually infer unsolicited things being received but it does seems to have been construed over the past few years on forums as a means of describing useless posted content - or something thats unwanted, and I agree that the forum rules need to be expand upon to this affect. But come on if some of you didn't constantly push the limits then situations like this wouldn't come about. Were all here for the same reason, is it that hard that we only ask you try and keep to the rules.

If the rules do need updating as you say, how would I have know I was breaking them ?, & I guess all the members (inc me & a few mods) who posted on one particular subject that passed 18pages weren't spamming then ?

As you'll see I've only posted odd/bizzare things in the "Lounge Off Topic" but have contributed many things & knowledge to other sections of the forum

Mods and Admins are not here to burst the balloon of fun, were here for very much the same reason that you all are, to share and enjoy this site. We should very rarely have to 'spring' into action, and to be honest we vary rarely do so we'd like to keep it that way.

I agree with that

Yes the Off Topic forum is for posting off topic material - The MK4 forum was cluttered with it at one time so thats why we opened it []. Our point is the level of pointless posting in there got to such a level were it was deemed as an annoyance, and provided overhead for us to deal with. We left it for a while due to the fact we don't feel we have to step in and put the stoppers on things like this - this time however we felt it was necessary.

Not to tell you your job but maybe if a mod/admin did step in on a dodgy post/subject then maybe things would die down.

In fact in his defence,Liquorice did point out that one picture from the film deliverence that I'd posted was a bit close to the mark, so I removed it straight away, no problem

Lets put all this behind us now, and concentrate on doing what we all enjoy - using the forum the ways it has been used for the past three years and continue the good name that uk-mkivs has earned []

Even though I feel like a bit of a witch hunt has gone on here I'm not gona say anymore on this subject, & as you so rightly say, we should put it all behind us now ..[]

Please dont think I've posted this reply just to get your back up either, I only want to give you my reasons/answers.[]

 

[W36 EJO]

I'm going to say something else....

Tabs, you refer to 'some' members and I think I am mentioned in there. Please could you let me know who these members are? Or at least if I was included.

For me, dunno bout everyone else, but since all those topics have closed, I'm not using the forum half as much, its just not as fun. I'm not having a go at anyone, just expressing my viewpoint on the matter.

Graham.

 

[Tabs]

Graham,

I refer to 'some' members because I don't want to open this thing up anymore than it has to be. Yes you were one of the members in question but we felt a warning for you, and others, wasn't necessary. Just a forum wide post asking everyone to tone down was deemed more appropriate.

We didn't go on a witch hunt for Jace, he broke the rules we had and thats that. To be honest the poll about 'colour' was just plain disgusting and we exercised the system we have in place not to make an example but to warn him. End of story.

Were not here to be kill-joys, here to keep this place on the straight and narrow and thats the way we've always done it.

If you feel the forums lost some of its Kudos then thats your issue, I personally don't see any difference other than the fact you lot aren't debating about ankle socks - and other such hosiery and if thats your idea of a forum and how it should be then I suggest you head off to google and search for some more appropriate sites with content that suits... []

 

[Tom R32]

Lets call it a day with all this shall we - think everyone has had enough. I am so dissapointed with some of you long time members.

I have just been looking around and people are now squabbling, and some of the attitudes shown towards Jace, W36EJO et all is just, quite frankly, childish.

As per my long post above - fair play to Tabs, I just wish some of the people on here would lighten up and to be honest take a look at themselves - this is only supposed to be a light hearted forum etc - people take it so seriously like its their actual only social circle! My god wake up its the internet!!

I am off lads - and before it gets said it isnt me throwing my toys from the pram - it is me just sitting back and looking at how sad some people are and how little I can be bothered with it - if what I am writing is annoying you then I guess your one of those people. I logged on here to have a giggle and get info about my car - now all I can see is rediculous threads - so if thats what you all want to sit here and read then I wish you well. I am not saying what went on over the last week was acceptable - but come on, threads like "how many polo mints do you have in your ashtray" [] Hilarious.

Its all laughable it really is, and I write this with a smile on my face. Look how upset people are getting ober a bloody forum - its so sad. I feel bad that this has got like this, I really do - but I can understand all sides to this. Empathy is a quality I have in drobes - shame more dont.

Tabs - keep up the good work, and thanks for all your help Re: my R32.

All - Save you breath with any replies for me - I wont be posting back to them.

Take it easy all, this has done me an indirect favour - at least now I can get some work done!![]

Tom. []

Keep [][8D]

 

[Gti Fly]

Quote: posted by Tom R32 on 11/11/2004 17:05:16

- this is only supposed to be a light hearted forum etc

I logged on here to have a giggle and get info about my car

If you want a light hearted forum, then perhaps TYRESMOKE.NET is more suited to your taste.

Over there they spend less time talking cars, and more time talking wack

Content filled threads are becoming a rarity on here lately, I'm sorry to say. I whole hearted agree with the mods that it's time to pack in the really stupid threads, and leave that to other forums.

 

[golfv64mo]

Quote: posted by Tom R32 on 11/11/2004 17:05:16

I have just been looking around and people are now squabbling, and some of the attitudes shown towards Jace, W36EJO et all is just, quite frankly, childish.

The irony of that statement makes me giggle.

Enjoy your R32, Tom.

 

[Tabs]

Ok time to wrap this one up. I think its safe to say this matter is now condsidered closed.