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I'm about to buy one but have nearly been scared off by various reviews slating the reliability of the ESP and the extortionate amount of money needed to fix it.

Nearly every owner-review I saw mentioned this (along with ongoing ABS, mass flow sensor and bush issues).

I even popped into a garage this morning to see one and both the ESP and ABS lights were on ? I left quickly after the saleman didnt seem too keen to rectify the issue as part of the deal.

So are these real issues or just a symptom of the unlucky few being more vocal?

I?d love to get your thoughts on realistic running costs.

Jim
 

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I have had my V6 4mo for about 4 months now. I have replaced the front 2 lambda sensors and the MAF in that time. I would recommend getting hold of a copy of VAGCOM and a cable and scanning any prospective car. MAF will not store a fault code, you will need to log the amount of air coming in. Lambda's (another common problem) WILL show up as a fault code, as will some of the other common issues such as temp sensor, brake switch etc.

Just had my car serviced (70k inspection service). VW dealer in Leeds wanted ?150. A local VW/Audi specialist did it for ?70 + vat. Petrol consumption is not great, but that is not why you buy the car!!!! I do relatively short journeys, around 6 miles to work in rush house traffic and average about 23-24 mpg. On a recent run to Filey, I managed 34mpg.

It is a lovely car to drive....3rd gear is VERY flexible, can accelerate from very slow speeds very easily.

The noise of the V6 when driven is a pleasure....tootle around at low revs and just blip the throttle and the deep bass noise from the exhaust always brings a smile to my face.
 

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when its right its a brilliant car ,the engines so relaxed for cruising and it turns into the most amazing snarling beast when you floor it , however i'm just about to change mine for a tdi cant stick with the crappy mpg cos i'll be doin more miles now but all in its a crackin car,most mk iv's all suffer the same problems anyway  from the 1.4 right up to the r32
 

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How easy is it to buy/use a VAGCOM? Sounds a bit techy....

Is this something that an independant car inspector (like the AA/RAC etc) would have on them?
I'm sure AA/RAC have someting similar.

The VAGCOM software can be downloaded free of charge from here

Cables can be purchased from ebay for around ?20 all in.
 

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Dont be put off Bro they are a very good car.The one for you is out there somewear you just have to find the one...

As already stated it is a fine lump made for driving,wether on a Motorway,A road or B road it takes them all,no problem.

Look for a standard model with fvwsh.16"wheels are standard but 17" suit the car&ride a treat.

Just remember its a V6 4mo not an R32& then enjoy...[;)]
 

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Hi , Had my 2.8 4mo for a year now (42,000 miles on the clock) only probs i have had is the front anti-roll bushes ?8.49 a pair [:)] . The ESP light can sometimes come on if the MAF is faulty , it does if mine is disconnected , MAF is about ?70. Also can come on due to steering angle being out , ie steering wheel to the R/L when driving strait ahead due to sensor behind steering wheel , 4 wheel alignment will sort this. Overall i am very pleased with mine .. go fot it ! [:D]
 

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We ahve had ours for three months now. A 2002 25,000 mile example and we love it. The MPG can be high at times but we get 26-27 MPG overall and I have seen 38 MPG on a good run, even touched 40 for a few seconds! In town it can dip, my wife uses it foor work and in town 21.8 seems normal, but many other cars are not as good as they seem on paper either.

As I have said it is great a well tempered right foot and a little restraint and you will most definatly not regret buying one. We got our from a dealer A black five door 02 with 24K at the time and one lady owner... yes I know! this time it is true I contacted her and verified all things, she just bought a new R32. We paid ?10,750, a bargain from a dealer and still great now a few months on.

I went through what you are now, take your time shop wisely and you'll do just fine and grin from ear to ear!
 

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A bit of balance needed here...

They are a liability !

I would say that a 1.8t is more useful, more tunable, cheaper and better than a 4mo.

However, if you can suffer the fuel bill, go for it. But when a mapped 1.8t or even a TDI flies past you, you'll be crying twice, once as your car is slow and again as your constantly filling the thing up with fuel.

But.... you'll have a nice exhaust sound which I'm sure makes up for it, oh and lets not forget 4wd which is really useful, especially when your stuck on the M25 doing 15mph and 12mpg on a wet Friday afternoon in November.

Don't get one, get a 1.8t save yourself a few quid in more ways than you can imagine or even dare I say it get a TDI.

In fact whilst I'm at it, as I'll get shot down in flames anyway..... I'd say the 4mo is only just less pointless than a V5

Worms; can of, open.
 

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Have you owned one ? . .I assume the op is asking for owners experiences.

I've done 50k in mine over the last 2.5 years - never been bullied over by a TDi. Had plenty run out of puff chasing it up a hill though.

Mine has needed new fans (under warranty), a MAF sensor (DIY) and new steering rack last month. Other than that its only required scheduled servicing.

Edit to add . .EVERY VW seems to be a liability these days.
 

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I would say that a 1.8t is more useful, more tunable, cheaper and better than a 4mo.
That old phrase, you get what you pay for!

But when a mapped 1.8t or even a TDI flies past you, you'll be crying twice, once as your car is slow and again as your constantly filling the thing up with fuel.
Slow....since when is 7 seconds to 60mph and almost 150mph slow?

Don't what ever you do get a 1.8T or a TDi, they are are common as a chav in a modded up Corsa.....pretty much worse in my opinion. 1.8T's and Tdi's are everywhere. I had had my V6 4 mo for 4 months now and have only seen 2 on the road in that time. A V6 will wipe the floor with a 1.8T and especially a tdi. Granted a moddified 1.8T or tdi is fast, but after all, the 1.8T is ONLY a small 1.8 4 pot engine and the tdi is a tractor. You will not regret owning a V6.
 

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Dear Mr Mummford,

You are biased and wrong.

4mo's are overpriced, slow, wheazy asthmatic, untunable, gas guzzling leviathans.

As for wiping the floor with 1.8's and TDI's, granted, unless mapped in the case of the 1.8t and exotically tuned and mapped in the case of the TDI the 4mo will be faster.

But.... Getting a 1.8t tuning it to beat a 4mo would still be cheaper than buying a 4mo.

What exactly are the positive things about a 4mo ?

Errr, that'll be 4wd. Big deal.

Hopefully someone else will be along who hasn't got a 4mo to add some further balance.
 

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midlifecrisis,

I am lucky enough to have owned a 4mo, r32 and plenty of other golfs and the wife has had the gti 20v, v5, 1.8t and an anni, of all the cars, after the r32 the 4mo is my favorite.

Sounds amazing, awesome grip, plenty quick enough for our roads in the UK and quite high spec depending on the one you are looking at. I had a maf fault but it was covered under warrenty which i took out.

You need to drive a 1.8t, v5 and v6 etc and make up your own mind really, if all you're worried about is the maf etc then take out a warranty for around £300 per year with your stealer and you're covered.

ANYONE who just slates a turbo or 4mo or any other car for that matter as being rubbish are idiots. Everyone is after a car for different reasons, sure in a straight line a modded 1.8t is quicker, so what, if you then mod the 4mo it will be quicker still. Which is quicker flying around the bends in the wet, 4mo all day long due to the grip. horses for courses at the end of the day, you buy the car which best suits your needs.

rant over, you'll enjoy which ever golf you go for i'm sure :eek:)
 

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You are biased and wrong.
Maybe I am, just in the same manner as you are about 1.8T's.

4mo's are overpriced, slow, wheazy asthmatic, untunable, gas guzzling leviathans.
You get what you pay for. Ever wondered why they cost more?

Not everyone who buys a Golf wants to tune it up to the max and have a car like on The Fast and the furious!!! What exactly has the 1.8T got that the 4mo hasn't.......err, potential to improve the performance. Stick a supercharger on a V6 and then see what happens. They are realatively untunable (given the same budget as you could spend on tuning a 1.8T) and gas guzzlers if driven hard but I would never call them slow. If a V6 is slow, what is a standard 1.8T or even a tdi?

If you want to be like 90% of other Golf owners, get a 1.8T and max it up, or even a tdi. If you want something a little different and like the sound of a V6 instead of a clattering of a diesel or the whush of a chavtastic dump valve then get a V6. Only 1 golf quicker in standard trim and that is the R32!
 

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Not everyone who buys a Golf wants to tune it up to the max and have a car like on The Fast and the furious!!! What exactly has the 1.8T got that the 4mo hasn't.......err, potential to improve the performance. Stick a supercharger on a V6 and then see what happens. They are realatively untunable (given the same budget as you could spend on tuning a 1.8T) and gas guzzlers if driven hard but I would never call them slow. If a V6 is slow, what is a standard 1.8T or even a tdi?

If you want to be like 90% of other Golf owners, get a 1.8T and max it up, or even a tdi. If you want something a little different and like the sound of a V6 instead of a clattering of a diesel or the whush of a chavtastic dump valve then get a V6. Only 1 golf quicker in standard trim and that is the R32!
Agreed.

It's just important to state the negatives of the 4mo which as 4mo owners, you would never obviously do.
 

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Not everyone who buys a Golf wants to tune it up to the max and have a car like on The Fast and the furious!!! What exactly has the 1.8T got that the 4mo hasn't.......err, potential to improve the performance. Stick a supercharger on a V6 and then see what happens. They are realatively untunable (given the same budget as you could spend on tuning a 1.8T) and gas guzzlers if driven hard but I would never call them slow. If a V6 is slow, what is a standard 1.8T or even a tdi?

If you want to be like 90% of other Golf owners, get a 1.8T and max it up, or even a tdi. If you want something a little different and like the sound of a V6 instead of a clattering of a diesel or the whush of a chavtastic dump valve then get a V6. Only 1 golf quicker in standard trim and that is the R32!
Agreed.

It's just important to state the negatives of the 4mo which as 4mo owners, you would never obviously do.
I have stated the negatives of ownership, can be heavy on fuel and relativley untunable compared to turbo's. As far as I am concerned this is it. Given I am not that bothered about large intercoolers and noisey dump valves, the latter does not concern me. I have stated the neg's, have you of the 1.8T?
 

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4wd make a huge difference to fast driving in all conditions, trust me once u've driven a powerful 4wd car, u won't ever go back to driving a powerful 2wd car. All that wheel spin and no forward motion - what's that all about?!
 

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the negatives of ownership, can be heavy on fuel and relativley untunable compared to turbo's. As far as I am concerned this is it. Given I am not that bothered about large intercoolers and noisey dump valves, the latter does not concern me. I have stated the neg's, have you of the 1.8T?
First of all I don't drive a 1.8t and to be honest I can't think of them having any shortcomings at all. They put ticks in all the right boxes.
 

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OK , read all the comments on this .... It is ultimately down to preference .. The V6 4mo is not slow ( i have had a 380bhp EVO ) Yes it is slow on acceleration compared to this but how much do you use it , 80% of the time there is someone blocking your path ! I have just driven 150 miles in less than 2 hours in my 2.8 4mo and 25% of that on a roads. Yes the V6 isn't as tuneable as the turbos but how many disclose the changes in there cars : ie more boost , chips etc .. Insurance could be VOID ..... I have had enough of blasting away from the lights to get two car lengths ahead (though this car can do it , especially in the wet .. or icy conditions 4WD [;)] ) If you can afford the fuel costs ( about 28mpg overall ) The 2.8 V6 is much less stressed at cruising speed compared to a 1.8T which has to have forced air intake . Get on the motorway and the low reving torque of the V6 is perfect .. Max torque at 80 mph in 6th @ about 3000rpm ...... just prod the fast pedal for more [:D]
 
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