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Hi all,

I am after a car for the other half, and she fancies a MkIV GTi. Budget of about ?5k seems to give a good s election of GTis but I am unsure which one is best to go for - 2.0 8v or 1.8 20v.

I have also been told that pre 2000 MkIVs were not made in germany so are not as well made - is this correct?

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Chris
 

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Hmm... should be some half decent ones for 5k I would of thought? think my 2001 51 plate only books at 7-8k perhaps a higher milage one? wouldn't let the miles put you to much if its got a FSH for instance... one that looks genuine.. hasn't got 18" subs cut in the parcel shelf etc...
 

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It all depends on what you want.Before I bought my 2ltr gti I looked around for a turbo.Most were 100,000 miles plus with 3-5 owners for my price range of ?5-6k.I would not be happy paying ?6k+ for a car with that many owners and lots of miles.To get a good mint  low miles one owner car it was going to cost me around ?8k.I looked and couldnt find a turbo(in my price range) I wanted, they were all well used for my budget .Its all down to you ,my 2ltr is nippy enough and good on fuel cheap insurance.Ltd on what engine mods you can do but not to bothered at the mo.Yes a turbo would be nice but I need a few more pennies for a 1 owner low miles example.
 

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Hi all,

I am after a car for the other half, and she fancies a MkIV GTi.
Budget of about ?5k seems to give a good s election of GTis but I am
unsure which one is best to go for - 2.0 8v or 1.8 20v.

I have also been told that pre 2000 MkIVs were not made in germany so are not as well made - is this correct?

Cheers

Chris
When did he say Turbo????

1.8 20v mate. Its a better engine and has 125BHP as opposed to 2.0 being 115bhp.

You might find that the 1.8 20v will also be older cars...i.e. up to 2000 or even 1999??

Im sure others will agree ............[Eastman runs and hides.......]
 

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Depends what's going around I suppose. I don't think you mentioned 1.8t's (??) but anyway I fancied a 1.8t but, I got the 2.0 as the Turbo's were, not out of price range, but as someone had said before, 3 or 4 owners in the last coupla years (!!) and we wanted a car with maybe just 1 owner which we got (2001 model). Intstead of my 40k 2.0, i could have got a 75k turbo at the time (might all be different now, i dunno, this was a year back).

Just didn't make sense for a bit more performance. And beside, regadless of what you here, without remaps etc, even 150 ain't all that in a tonne and a half car, although this being a VW site......;) Still don't think turbo's should be called GTI either. (belongs mark 11 and before).

And by the way, the engine might be 125bhp but that figure means nothing on the road - i know and i've tested against the 1.8's plenty of times. Don't just look at it as 125 against 115, just doesn't work like that. Especially with such a small difference.

We're not talking neck breaking speed here, but it does us (wife newish driver).

It might also be a more modern enigine, but they also break and have probs. Don;t even think about falling into the trap of thinking becuase it's a VW it will be fine, just browse any topic for examples. The 8v goes just fine IMO and will do us for another years or two.
 

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Cheers for the feedback guys. I am not really concerned about performance with this vehicle - safety, reliability and running costs are more important.

I went to look at a 70k mile 2.0 last night which was a bit of a dog - can I get a nice car for ?5k?
 

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yeah, you'll probably get something half decent, just take your time. I must say though, the 2.0's we looked at were all better nick than the 1.8's for the same age. Probably just the ones we saw, but there you go......It's been ages since i looked at prices, but i'd think you can still can an good motor for that.

I've had things go wrong on mine in the last year, it's all standard mark 4 stuff though. Windows, lambda probe etc. The 2.0's can eat oil as well so don't think it's always a big prob you've got if you end up getting one. I get high 30's (probably around 40) motorway's, but this will go down rapidly if you boot it around town. Check it goes through the rev range (and comes back down) ok when you rev it. This was a new MAF for me just the other day. Apart from that, good, safe, ok looking car - done 20k the last year including a few trips through the Scottish highlands where there's no road or you can't see it for 3 feet snow - never had probs and most people always say it's a nice even although it's just stanadard. Mine has always had a little grind going into reverse though if not stattionary for more than split sec.

The 8v and 20v are totally different engines as well, but the 8v seems fairly soild, i'm sure the 20v will be as well. From what i've heard the 8v has a lot more grunt and responds quicker. Mines ine up to about 3.5k then i feel it needs a turbo. Not sure if the 20v will be as responsive actually. I don't mean 'slower' though, hard to explain, bit like a 16v engine? Keep the revs up and it's fine?, you know what i mean. Maybe just the ones i've tried.

If i had the cash at the time, i wouldn't have got any, would have been a diesel for me.
 

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So the diesels are the ones to go for? Worth sacrificing the spec a little to get a TDi then? I have just sold a 350BHP carbon bodied M3 and got an X3 diesel which I am liking more than I expected, so maybe oil burners are the future after all!!

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Ah, well, you seem erm, the 1.8s or 2.0's aren't all that actually if your in that position with your previous...... ;)

Yeah, the mark 4, i think is probably best in diesel form, it's an age old debate on here.

If you were close mate, i could have showed you my motor as it's on 60k now, but i'm off hols tomorrow anyway. Might have just given you a 'free' view of one without all the hassle of acting like you're going to buy it.......you know, pressure off, look at common probs etc wthout a hard sell.
 

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You'll find that whilst the 1.8 has 125bhp you have to wring it's neck to get it - VW put the 2.0 in because it had more torque and was more driveable.

Diesel Golfs sell at a premium - if your wife isn't doing many miles and wouldn't benefit from the economy then a 2.0 would be her best bet. The spec is usually quite good, just make sure you get a/c, 16" wheels are nice and actually tighten up the steering a little.

BTW nice ACS mods there!
 

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The 2.0 is a good car as long as you don't associate it with the GTi image.  It's an old simple 8V unit and should be trouble free.  No turbo.  No 16V.  It's just a good old workhorse unit and gives adequate performance, similar to a 1.6 Ford Focus, but the build quality is far superior.
 

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You get plenty of performance in the TDi's and what's more, people don't expect it, like they do with say a GTi. I beat an F-reg Escort RS Turbo off the lights last night in my 130 Tdi and leaving the c*nt in a cloud of diesel dust was quite satisfying- it was close by the way, he just had to get behind me cos of traffic - I was in the outer lane and his intention was to jib in front of me before we caught up with the reast of the traffic LOL !!  I've had a few mates comment on how surprised they are at the power of my motor -and I still get 50 mpg !! -very impressive stuff !!
 

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Yes get a TDI, I have the 2.0 and got to say 0-60 is ok but you have to really treat the car with respect to get the best out of it. Like only using Shell or BP fuel, Castrol GTX oil, and it does drink oil almost as much as fuel so it's not a cheap car to run by any means but very satisfying to drive. I have driven the turbo too which was fun but the TDI (115 or 130) can be easily tuned and is a better drive.

Not that i'm condoning driving at speed!!
 

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i used to have a 2.slow beetle and it drunk oil like nothing else...so
much so i ended up selling it and got a V6 4motion instead.

steer clear of this engine.
 

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On your budget I would go for the TDI, even though I am not a fan of oil burners, great car !!!

But, Craig C, No MK4 deserves the coveted Golf GTI badge IMO. Unless like a lot of the guys on here you have brought it up to high spec. Only the R32, which is, of course a whole new beast !!

When I test drove my 1.8T, I was so dissapointed after driving to the place in my MK2 (standard). I was expecting better, but the whole MK4 GTI range is a bit lame !!! and I'm a devoted VW fan !!! Only the 1.8T's tunability has saved it.
 

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You wouldn't have to sacrifice spec to get a TDI, the GT TDI's come with identical spec to the 2.0 GTI.

However, I think you'd be struggling to get a nice GT TDI for 5K.

I don't think there's much to choose between 1.8 20V N/A and 2.0, although as Richard said, VW supposedly replaced the 1.8 with the 2.0 because of it's superior low down torque and hence drivability. The same reason as many people preffered the 8V mkIII GTI (same engine) to the 16V.

I would say as long as you don't expect it to be quick then you will not be disappointed. It comes with a nice level of standard spec and is a very comfortable car to drive. It is sloooooooooooow though- I test drove one before I bought my diesel and it was slower than the 1.4 Clio I had before. As someone else said, it's more equivalent to 1.6's in Focus' or Astras.
 
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